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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are a few ways. One is on rights issues. Polygamy rarely works out in a non-oppressive manner. We even still have modern day examples of this in the US. If this were done in a way that completely abides by the rights of the individual, you can try to work around that. But the polygamist communities such as in Arizona, that's not how it works in practice. So you can always go that route.

    Another way is to site precedent. Which would be Utah. It was not even allowed into the Republic unless it made polygamy illegal.
    Additionally, there is no law preventing from a group of people living together and having whatever relationship they want. When it comes to the legal benefits though, one person having 10 dependent spouses would be a government nightmare; thus it's in the state's interests to limit marriage to two people.

    Plus restricting the number of people involved in a legal contract isn't protected anywhere in the constitution. You could argue freedom of association - but their ability to associate isn't being restricted. It's just their ability to enter into the legal agreement we call marriage.

    If a theater is sold out, is it a violation of your rights to be told they can't let you in because it would violate fire codes? Nope.

    Again, consenting adults can do what they like. But the government isn't discriminating by limiting legal marriage to two adults.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    And you can't even read a CDC study. You lost pages ago but you just haven't admitted it.
    I already showed that you misrepresented the CDC study. You never got out of the starting block with this debate, but we all know you'll never admit that you don't have clue. Even though anyone who understands this debate can see it.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    It was a counter to his argument. Go back and read what he advocated. I've only explained it a dozen times.
    You haven't refuted my argument. Mostly because you don't understand it. But keep making your foolish claims. As impossible as it may be, it's making you look even LESS knowledgeable on the topic.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are a few ways. One is on rights issues. Polygamy rarely works out in a non-oppressive manner. We even still have modern day examples of this in the US. If this were done in a way that completely abides by the rights of the individual, you can try to work around that. But the polygamist communities such as in Arizona, that's not how it works in practice. So you can always go that route.

    Another way is to site precedent. Which would be Utah. It was not even allowed into the Republic unless it made polygamy illegal.
    Actually, it could be even easier. While same sex marriage has relatively little impact on the structure of society, as the only people who are generally interested in it are gays and lesbians, polygamy has a substantial impact on the structure of society. Since society is split pretty much 50% males and 50% females, for every wife a man takes, it leaves another man without a wife. That means that a large underprivileged class of unmarried men would form, which has been documented both in modern day polygamous sects and in the past when polygamy was more accepted. It endangers the general welfare of the nation to promote the means of the formation of such a class, and therefore the state cannot endorse polygamy.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Additionally, there is no law preventing from a group of people living together and having whatever relationship they want.
    This is f'd up and off topic, but there is such a law in my city. It's called the 2 + You rule. You can only live in a house with 2 other unrelated people. Now none of this is polygamy concerns, it all stems from college students and property owners; but I still think it's a f'd up law.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You haven't refuted my argument. Mostly because you don't understand it. But keep making your foolish claims. As impossible as it may be, it's making you look even LESS knowledgeable on the topic.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is f'd up and off topic, but there is such a law in my city. It's called the 2 + You rule. You can only live in a house with 2 other unrelated people. Now none of this is polygamy concerns, it all stems from college students and property owners; but I still think it's a f'd up law.
    True, but that could be a married couple + 2 extra lovers, if they wanted! Not quite a harem, but close.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Then you cannot stop Polygamists. They have every right to the 14th amendment. No where does it say the 14th ammendment doesn't apply to groups of more than 2 people or stops at a certain age. No could you stop children and adults from marrying. Again, the 14th ammendment applies. That is the gaping hole in the ruling.
    #1) Polygamists don't qualify for a marriage license based on their CURRENT MARITAL STATUS. Have you ever applied for a marriage license? If you had, then you would know that people who were previously married must supply proof the previous marriage was annulled or dissolved.

    **also most polygamists are looking to marry girls under the age of consent.

    #2) Children are not adults--they can not consent to marriage. They are getting equal protection under the law.

    Gaping hold indeed....

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I've barely been skimming this thread and it is my understanding that if "other sexualities" (such as?) *because people are born gay - but afaik they are not born polygamous* want their issue addressed then they need to file suit as well.
    The fact is no one knows if gays are born that way or not....There are arguments on both sides of the issue........
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Bestiality is deviant, homosexuality is not.
    That is your opinion....The majority of the people in this country (Christians) disagree with you on that statement......
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