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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    I didn't read them carefully, but let's say you're correct on all accounts. Risky behavior does not CAUSE HIV it is only a correlate.
    Fine, neither risky behavior nor sexual orientation cause HIV. However, risky behavior increases the probability of contracting HIV, whereas sexual orientation alone does not.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    This crap is ridiculous. here minus all the hair splitting:

    HIV is caused by a virus entering a persons blood stream
    Being a homosexual male does not cause this virus to enter the bloodstream
    Engaging in unprotected anal sex does cause the virus to enter the bloodstream
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It is not impossible that an individual can engage in promiscuos, unprotected anal sex their whole life and never contract HIV. Therefore, I can't say say it causes HIV. However, engaging in that behavior puts an individual at a substantially higher risk of contracting HIV, so it isn't correlative. The behavior does effect the likelihood of contracting HIV even if it doesn't directly cause the HIV infection. So as you said, a light causational link.
    How is it not correlative? I'm not sure you understand the term. Compare and contrast "light causational link" with correlate.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    How is it not correlative? I'm not sure you understand the term. Compare and contrast "light causational link" with correlate.
    Already answered above.

    Neither risky behavior nor sexual orientation cause HIV. However, risky behavior increases the probability of contracting HIV, whereas sexual orientation alone does not.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Not true. "Risky behavior" is no more a cause of HIV than homosexuality. Risky behavior is a correlate.
    For heaven's sake, Taylor. We all aren't statisticians. I didn't say it was the cause of HIV. I said it was a cause of HIV transmission. If you have some other fancy name for it, like correlate, well....perhaps you should be more tolerant of those who speak in layman's terms.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    This crap is ridiculous. here minus all the hair splitting:

    HIV is caused by a virus entering a persons blood stream
    Being a homosexual male does not cause this virus to enter the bloodstream
    Engaging in unprotected anal sex does cause the virus to enter the bloodstream
    Just to split hairs - engaging in unprotected anal sex doesn't cause the virus to enter the bloodstream. It is associated with a higher likelihood that it will occur. If we're going to go on for 20 pages about causality, let's get it right.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Just to split hairs - engaging in unprotected anal sex doesn't cause the virus to enter the bloodstream. It is associated with a higher likelihood that it will occur. If we're going to go on for 20 pages about causality, let's get it right.
    Alright fine.. shooting a load of infected semen into someones ruptured and or lacerated anal cavity causes the virus to enter the blood stream.

    Guess what? anal sex causes this to happen (unless the semen is being pumped in via a syringe or some other means. since we are splitting hairs). Being gay does not.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Just to split hairs - engaging in unprotected anal sex doesn't cause the virus to enter the bloodstream. It is associated with a higher likelihood that it will occur. If we're going to go on for 20 pages about causality, let's get it right.
    Fine, let's speak probability.

    A person's sexual orientation alone does not increase the likelihood of them contracting HIV. Whereas engaging in risky sexual behaviors like promiscuous, unprotected anal sex does increase the likelhood of them contracting HIV.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    For heaven's sake, Taylor. We all aren't statisticians. I didn't say it was the cause of HIV. I said it was a cause of HIV transmission. If you have some other fancy name for it, like correlate, well....perhaps you should be more tolerant of those who speak in layman's terms.
    Oh believe me, I'm tired of all this causation/correlation crap myself. I only bring it up because people have been going on and on about it in this thread with respect to sexual orientation.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    This was a decent thread about a legit topic. Someone should really lock it now....

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