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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Given that on average 40% of heterosexuals and only 65% of homosexual men (which comprise only 50% of all homosexuals) engage in anal sex, yeah... homosexual and anal sex are not synonymous.

    More heterosexuals engage in anal sex than homosexuals.
    Perceptually, homosexual men and anal sex are synonymous. I wonder where these stats come from.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Given that on average 40% of heterosexuals and only 65% of homosexual men (which comprise only 50% of all homosexuals) engage in anal sex, yeah... homosexual and anal sex are not synonymous.

    More heterosexuals engage in anal sex than homosexuals.
    Nobody said it was synonymous. Argue points that people actually present. There would be a lot more hetero's engaging in anal sex of their partners would allow it. So what? I am sure you could present some context with those statistics but it wouldn't be very convenient for you.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Perceptually, homosexual men and anal sex are synonymous. I wonder where these stats come from.
    CDC survey

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Nobody said it was synonymous. Argue points that people actually present. There would be a lot more hetero's engaging in anal sex of their partners would allow it. So what? I am sure you could present some context with those statistics but it wouldn't be very convenient for you.
    Actually, someone has said it was synonymous.

    And I didn't say "there would be more heteros engaging in anal sex". I said there ARE more heteros engaging in anal sex.

    What context would you like to see the statistics in, exactly?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    [QUOTE=rivrrat;1058906477]CDC survey

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf

    that article does not break down sexual preferences. It simply asks men over all.

    My study does break it down specifically.



    Actually, someone has said it was synonymous.

    And I didn't say "there would be more heteros engaging in anal sex". I said there ARE more heteros engaging in anal sex.

    What context would you like to see the statistics in, exactly?
    I would like you to show us where anal sex Per capita is being had by more heterosexual men than homosexual.

    It is incredible the denial of basic facts is still going on.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    that article does not break down sexual preferences. It simply asks men over all.
    No, it breaks it down.

    My study does break it down specifically.
    And says nothing about anal sex, which is what we were specifically discussing at this point since some folks here seem to think that homosexual = anal sex = HIV.


    I would like you to show us where anal sex Per capita is being had by more heterosexual men than homosexual.

    It is incredible the denial of basic facts is still going on.
    What I said was, more heterosexuals engage in anal sex than homosexuals. And I've post this THREE times now.

    According to a 2005 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some studies put the incidence of anal sex in the heterosexual population as low as 24 percent and some as high as 56 percent. Averaging those numbers, let’s say 38.8 percent of heterosexuals engage in anal sex. Ninety-six percent of Americans are straight. There are 190,000,000 adults between the ages of 18 and 65 in the United States, so that means 70,771,200 adults are engaging in heterosexual anal sex. Four percent of the adult population is gay, or 7,600,000 people. Roughly half—3,800,000—are gay males. Polls indicate that between 55 and 80 percent of gay males participate in anal sex. Taking the average—67.5 percent—that means the number of gay men having anal sex comes to 2,565,000.

    70,771,200 is more—a whole lot more—than 2,565,000. Anal sex in America is primarily a heterosexual pursuit.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Or he is just pointing out the common sense fact that it is the risky behaviors of unprotected anal sex and promiscuity that lead to spread of HIV, not the practice of homosexuality since it is clear to anyone that two clean gay men who are monogamous with each other could never give each other HIV no matter how much gay sex they have.

    Now tex is doing a pretty good job of playing mental gymnastics given that he refuses to admit that homosexual behavior, in and of itself, does not magically create the disease out of thin air.
    Lets see if you can understand it this way.

    Who has more anal sex per captica? Heterosexual men or Homosexual men?

    Go ahead, answer the question.

    The fallacy of your claim is you are trying to inject that all homosexual men are clean when the facts clearly show that to be false.

    To believe your fallacy you also have to accept that gay men are not diverse just like every other alternative lifestyle some have protected sex some do not. All groups have that level of diversity so putting in a fallacy argument that we can only judge them based on a Utopian society outlook on their sex lives is ridiculous as it would be for any other group.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    You are just trying to stretch a point to the breaking point to avoid using the term homosexual and anal sex together. Massive straw man argument going on here. Anal sex and gay males is just part of reality. To keep denying that is a little insane. I don't see anything in what I've read so far to support your exaggeration than he thinks homosexual behavior itself created the disease. You took the big leap to that conclusion.
    Tell me, which of these facts do you disagree with?

    1. Two gay men who are HIV negative and who are monogamous with each other can never give each other HIV no matter how much anal sex they have with one another.
    2. Having anal sex does not lead to HIV; having anal sex with someone who is infected with HIV can lead to HIV.
    3. Both homosexuals and heterosexuals practice anal sex.
    4. Both homosexuals and heterosexuals can practice bad judgment and engage in promiscuous, unprotected sex, thereby increasing their chances of coming in contact with someone infected with HIV.
    5. Both homosexuals and heterosexuals can practice good judgment and engage in monogamous sex, and refrain from unprotected sex until they know their partner is clean. If they do so, then regardless of their sexual orientation, they will not get or spread HIV.

    I'll wait to hear which ones you disagree with, because that is all I am saying. Anal sex alone, whether heterosexual or homosexual, will not cause HIV, so it doesn't matter to me whether or not you perceive it synonymous with homosexuality. You can only get HIV from coming in contact with an HIV positive person and then engaging in risky behaviors like anal sex.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, it breaks it down.
    Completely false and I challenge you to proudce the quote where it supports your claim.
    And says nothing about anal sex, which is what we were specifically discussing at this point since some folks here seem to think that homosexual = anal sex = HIV.
    You have GOT to be kidding. It shows gay men who have contracted HIV. Please explain your theory on how they contracted it besides anal sex that has any statistical backing whatsoever

    What I said was, more heterosexuals engage in anal sex than homosexuals. And I've post this THREE times now.
    And thee times now it is completely false. Your study does not break down the sexual preferences between the men in your study. It gives 2 wildly different numbers on gay men without a conclusion on what number is right. Repeating a false claim doesn't help you.

    You are quoting a synopsis of the article not the article itself. Either quote the article directly or don't bother.

    Please explain my numbers from the CDC if you are going to hold onto this fallacy.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Lets see if you can understand it this way.

    Who has more anal sex per captica? Heterosexual men or Homosexual men?
    I would assume homosexual men. At least in the United States. Unprotected anal sex among heterosexuals has traditionally been practiced in Africa as a form of birth control since contraceptives have not been widely available. That practice has contributed greatly to the epidemic of HIV in Africa, which affects tens of millions of heterosexuals on that continent.

    The fallacy of your claim is you are trying to inject that all homosexual men are clean when the facts clearly show that to be false.
    I never suggested any such thing. Only that if clean gay men practiced monogamous sex with each other, then they could never contract HIV. In other words, it isn't anal sex or their sexual orientation that leads them to develop HIV, it is engaging in promiscuous anal sex that does so.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    CDC survey

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf


    Actually, someone has said it was synonymous.

    And I didn't say "there would be more heteros engaging in anal sex". I said there ARE more heteros engaging in anal sex.

    What context would you like to see the statistics in, exactly?
    Hi Riv -- one has to be a statistician to read those tables. Look at the wrong table -- pick up the wrong data. Confusing and likely to be misinterpretted. Not saying YOU did, but there is a high likelihood of it. I'm not sure how relevant it is that more heteros engaging in anal sex. The question asked was something like, "In the last ten years, have you....." And there would be more heteros that answer yes to that because there are more heteros. That's a given.

    The number I picked up was that 34% of all males had had anal sex during the last ten years. (Table 7) 5.1% of all males are either homosexual or bi-sexual. (Table 12)

    I curious and looking because I don't believe your assertion that only 65% of homosexual males engage in anal sex. Can't find it.
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