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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You still don't get it digsbe. The entire argument about HIV was brought up to counter CC's ridiculous argument that you could deny the right to marry to polygamists by weighing their positive and negative contributions to a society.

    Go back and read what he wrote before assuming something inaccurate.
    I am against gay marriage too and I believe the overturn of prop 8 was an incredibly unjust smack to the face of voters and social conservatives. I should have read more into the thread.

    One point I have raised that I don't believe was properly addressed, is that what homosexuality deserves special treatment over other sexualities. If the ruling is that you can't define marriage that excludes homosexual unions because it's a violation of equal protection, then why aren't other sexualities also under that protection? Why can't other sexualities have their unions recognized as marriage? And why don't I have the right to vote do define marriage traditionally? Why can't my beliefs be voiced, especially when there is a vote?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Love it when you pretend you know what you are talking about CC.

    Who practices anal sex more than homosexual men per capita (just in case you try and wiggle out of it by comparing direct numbers)?

    Its amazing you can look a CDC study square in the face and still deny its findings.

    And I quoted the CDC directly. No manipulation needed. You however have to thrive on it to deny the above.
    Of course you manipulated. You just did it again. It is irrelevant who practices anal sex more often. THAT BEHAVIOR is the risk factor, not being homosexual.

    But tell us, tex. Would a heterosexual who has anal sex be at risk for HIV?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    CC you have proven once again that you do not know the difference between a risk factor and the word "cause".
    And you continue to prove that you do not understand the difference between orientation and behavior, and what a risk factor is.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You still don't get it digsbe. The entire argument about HIV was brought up to counter CC's ridiculous argument that you could deny the right to marry to polygamists by weighing their positive and negative contributions to a society.

    Go back and read what he wrote before assuming something inaccurate. But please go ahead and pick up on his loosing argument and explain how homosexuals can be proven to contribute more positive aspects to society than polygamists. If you read back that is how this all started.
    And since HIV and anal sex is associated with BEHAVIOR, not orientation, as usual, you failed to prove me wrong. I suppose you must be getting used to that, though.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As usual, Taylor, you are another one who doesn't know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Being homosexual is not a risk factor. Engaging in unsafe sex is. Homosexuals may engage in unsafe sex more often than heterosexuals, but that does not equate to the orientation, itself, being a risk factor.

    There will be no apology, since he used the term incorrectly, even after he was shown that he was wrong.
    Nice try. You accused him of lying about making a "causational relationship" in stating that homosexuality is a risk factor contracting HIV. Saying something is a risk factor implies no causality.

    Demonstrate some integrity and admit where you are wrong.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course you manipulated. You just did it again. It is irrelevant who practices anal sex more often. THAT BEHAVIOR is the risk factor, not being homosexual.

    But tell us, tex. Would a heterosexual who has anal sex be at risk for HIV?
    LOL You do love to get around the facts.

    Answer my question first and I'll be happy to answer yours. I've already asked it once

    Who practices anal sex more than homosexual men per capita (just in case you try and wiggle out of it by comparing direct numbers)?

    Answer it.

    But you'll probably just duck it as usual.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I am against gay marriage too and I believe the overturn of prop 8 was an incredibly unjust smack to the face of voters and social conservatives. I should have read more into the thread.

    One point I have raised that I don't believe was properly addressed, is that what homosexuality deserves special treatment over other sexualities. If the ruling is that you can't define marriage that excludes homosexual unions because it's a violation of equal protection, then why aren't other sexualities also under that protection? Why can't other sexualities have their unions recognized as marriage? And why don't I have the right to vote do define marriage traditionally? Why can't my beliefs be voiced, especially when there is a vote?

    EXACTLY! You've got it. CC tried to get around it by setting up a new rule claiming that the right would only be given to those who showed positive contributions to society which of course he is judge and jury. That is when someone mentioned the CDC findings proving that draconian milestone not only violated the equal protection clause but was by its own nature, unprovable.
    Last edited by texmaster; 08-09-10 at 03:41 AM.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Nice try. You accused him of lying about making a "causational relationship" in stating that homosexuality is a risk factor contracting HIV. Saying something is a risk factor implies no causality.

    Demonstrate some integrity and admit where you are wrong.
    Saying something is a risk factor denotes cause. Again, you do not understand the difference between behavior and orientation. Have some integrity and admit that.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Saying something is a risk factor denotes cause. Again, you do not understand the difference between behavior and orientation. Have some integrity and admit that.

    Wrong again CC

    In epidemiology, a risk factor is a variable associated with an increased risk of disease or infection.
    Main Entry: risk factor
    Function: noun
    Date: 1949

    : something that increases risk or susceptibility


    Question: What is a risk factor?

    Answer: A risk factor is something that increases your chances of getting a disease. Sometimes, this risk comes from something you do. For example, smoking increases your chances of developing colon cancer. Therefore, smoking is a risk factor for colon cancer.


    A risk factor is something that's likely to increase the chances that a particular event will occur.

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    Definition

    Measurable characteristic or element, a change in which can affect the value of an asset, such as exchange rate, interest rate, and market price.



    5 definitions of risk factor and not a single one having the word "cause" anywhere in them.


    Not that you'll admit your mistake of course. Its really for others to see. Might want to rethink Taylor's suggestion.


    And of course you still haven't answered my question but such is life
    Last edited by texmaster; 08-09-10 at 03:52 AM.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL You do love to get around the facts.

    Answer my question first and I'll be happy to answer yours. I've already asked it once

    Who practices anal sex more than homosexual men per capita (just in case you try and wiggle out of it by comparing direct numbers)?

    Answer it.

    But you'll probably just duck it as usual.
    I already answered it. Anal sex without protection is unsafe sex. Here is my comment addressing this:

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Being homosexual is not a risk factor. Engaging in unsafe sex is. Homosexuals may engage in unsafe sex more often than heterosexuals, but that does not equate to the orientation, itself, being a risk factor.
    So, tell us, tex, would a heterosexual who has unsafe anal sex be more at risk to contract HIV?
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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