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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    In order to be a factor, it would have to have some causal relationship. Otherwise, by definition, it would not be a factor.
    In epidemiology, causality is often not known. So the above is actually not true. For example, small stature was recently identified as a risk factor for developing heart disease. There may or may not be a causal relationship there, and by making the connection we are in no way saying that being short "causes" heart disease.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    CC - you appear to be utterly ignorant on what a "risk factor" is. A "risk factor" implies no causal relationship whatsoever. It refers simply to a variable that is related to increased risk. The relationship can be causal OR correlational.

    That you would accuse someone of "lying" for using a term YOU did not understand is quite simply outrageous.

    I'm sure he'd appreciate a public apology.
    As usual, Taylor, you are another one who doesn't know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Being homosexual is not a risk factor. Engaging in unsafe sex is. Homosexuals may engage in unsafe sex more often than heterosexuals, but that does not equate to the orientation, itself, being a risk factor.

    There will be no apology, since he used the term incorrectly, even after he was shown that he was wrong.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    In epidemiology, causality is often not known. So the above is actually not true. For example, small stature was recently identified as a risk factor for developing heart disease. There may or may not be a causal relationship there, and by making the connection we are in no way saying that being short "causes" heart disease.
    If they don't know, they can't claim it is a risk factor. At best, they could say that it is a possible risk factor.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Male homosexual sex clearly shows it makes it far more likely to contact HIV.
    “The risk of HIV transmission through receptive anal sex is much greater than the risk of transmission via other sexual activities.” — CDC[/B]
    This is known as self-pwnage. Notice how tex manipulates terms to try to prove his position... but only succeeds in proving that he has done nothing but try to be deceptive. Anal sex does not equal male homosexual sex.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    No.. he posted an analogy illustrating problems with correlational data. It was not relevant to the issue I was raising with my post.


    Show me where Hicup claimed that it wasn't unprotected sex that causes HIV, but "homosexuality itself."
    Here Taylor:

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    Therefore it is reasonable, and in fact completely conclusive that homosexuals, as a group, are a risk factor in contracting HIV.
    I quoted this several times, and he denied that he made the claim. He lied.

    Now that you have been proven wrong, let's see if you apologize.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is known as self-pwnage. Notice how tex manipulates terms to try to prove his position... but only succeeds in proving that he has done nothing but try to be deceptive. Anal sex does not equal male homosexual sex.
    Love it when you pretend you know what you are talking about CC.

    Who practices anal sex more than homosexual men per capita (just in case you try and wiggle out of it by comparing direct numbers)?

    Its amazing you can look a CDC study square in the face and still deny its findings.

    And I quoted the CDC directly. No manipulation needed. You however have to thrive on it to deny the above.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    So, if the logic behind outlawing gay marriage is "anal (gay) sex spreads more diseases" then why not make it illegal for straights to have anal sex? If anything, allowing gay marriage would reduce the risk of spreading STD's because it would most likely promote a more single partner oriented relationship. That argument is very weak.

    Anal sex is not the only form of homosexual sex. In fact, I would venture to say that everything homosexuals do straights also do.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's the statement I made with my statistics post. I was wrong.

    Sexual orientation has nothing to do with the transmission of HIV. Behavior does. Thanks for staying with me on this. I've learned to watch my Ps & Qs and, especially in sensitive situations, to say what I mean very carefully.
    You have demonstrated integrity by reviewing the information and recognized where you made an error. Good for you.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I quoted this several times, and he denied that he made the claim. He lied.

    Now that you have been proven wrong, let's see if you apologize.
    CC you have proven once again that you do not know the difference between a risk factor and the word "cause".

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, if the logic behind outlawing gay marriage is "anal (gay) sex spreads more diseases" then why not make it illegal for straights to have anal sex? If anything, allowing gay marriage would reduce the risk of spreading STD's because it would most likely promote a more single partner oriented relationship. That argument is very weak.

    Anal sex is not the only form of homosexual sex. In fact, I would venture to say that everything homosexuals do straights also do.
    You still don't get it digsbe. The entire argument about HIV was brought up to counter CC's ridiculous argument that you could deny the right to marry to polygamists by weighing their positive and negative contributions to a society.

    Go back and read what he wrote before assuming something inaccurate. But please go ahead and pick up on his loosing argument and explain how homosexuals can be proven to contribute more positive aspects to society than polygamists. If you read back that is how this all started.
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