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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    But now that has to be litigated. Before this decision, it did not.
    EVen if this is accurate, as I said it will be easily overridden by the benefit to society issue.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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    And you are still basing this on what you have based on your nonsense claims in this thread on. Because I say so is not a good argument.
    No, Redress, what's "not a good argument" is ignoring everything I said and claiming all I said was "because I said so." That's not only not a good argument, it's a tacit admission that you can't respond to what I said.

    I presented you a way, through legitimate legal argument, based on the actual decision, to show that my argument fails conclusively. You can try to do that, or you can continue to simply declare victory while ignoring it. That is up to you.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    EVen if this is accurate, as I said it will be easily overridden by the benefit to society issue.
    It is, and I never said it couldn't be overridden -- only that this decision invites the issue, so it's part of the argument now. The bottom line is, these are open legal questions now. They weren't two weeks ago. There may not have been a slippery slope before, but based on this decision, the judge tilted the field and greased it.

    And, by his due process holding that marriage is a fundamental right, a decision between equals, strict scrutiny applies, so you not only have to show a rational basis, you have to show a compelling interest for restricting someone's freedom to marry whom they choose. It's well beyond mere "rational basis" now.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, Redress, what's "not a good argument" is ignoring everything I said and claiming all I said was "because I said so." That's not only not a good argument, it's a tacit admission that you can't respond to what I said.

    I presented you a way, through legitimate legal argument, based on the actual decision, to show that my argument fails conclusively. You can try to do that, or you can continue to simply declare victory while ignoring it. That is up to you.
    When you actually show something from the actual decision, then maybe you will give something to argue with. Hell, I had to go into the decision and do your homework for you, since you failed(a recurring theme for you in this thread) to do so yourself.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When you actually show something from the actual decision, then maybe you will give something to argue with. Hell, I had to go into the decision and do your homework for you, since you failed(a recurring theme for you in this thread) to do so yourself.
    I've been referencing the actual decision the entire time, and your "homework" even confirmed that I was doing so.

    But if you want me to bring up actual quotes, well, guess what? I already did so:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058903588

    In which I, again, told you how you could show my argument fails conclusively.

    So, go on pretending I haven't actually referenced the decision if you like. Or is it that you just failed to see that (rather long) post?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Someone needs to learn properly about STD's before saying such ignorant comments.
    I was tired, it was late for me on the east coast. What I should have said is that in western societies, heterosexuals with no known risk factors have a statistically zero chance of acquiring HIV. Heterosexuality, in and of itself is not stated as a risk factor to acquiring HIV, whereas homosexuality is, according to the CDC.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I was tired, it was late for me on the east coast. What I should have said is that in western societies, heterosexuals with no known risk factors have a statistically zero chance of acquiring HIV. Heterosexuality, in and of itself is not stated as a risk factor to acquiring HIV, whereas homosexuality is, according to the CDC.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Btw... from the CDC:

    Individuals infected through heterosexual contact account for 31% of annual new HIV infections and 28% of people living with HIV.

    HIV and AIDS in the United States | Factsheets | Resources by Format | CDC HIV/AIDS
    I guess that kinda blows the "near 0%" presentation out of the water.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, MALE homo and bisexuals have higher incidence of HIV. Female homosexuals have extremely low risk.

    And, Hicup said heterosexuals have an "even statistically zero chance of getting HIV," which is about the most ****ing retarded thing I've read on this forum and your little link and graph only proved just how ****ing retardedly ignorant such a claim was.
    Well, apparently you don't understand, nor give any weight to the statistical analysis. Lets run thorugh the important parts shall we? There are what, 4% of the population as homosexuals, and if you exclude females, which have almost no chance of getting HIV if they are exclusive homosexual woman, then the number is male homosexuals in the US is roughly about 2 1/2 percent of the population. There are 300 million people in the USA, yet roughly 2 1/2 percent of them make up well over half the infections of the entire US population. Taken as a whole, the "incidence" of HIV infection among heterosexual populations is "statistically" zero. Now, what "statistically zero means, is NOT that it is actually zero, but what statisticians call, insignificant to form an corollary conclusion.

    Does that about round it out for you?


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Btw... from the CDC:



    I guess that kinda blows the "near 0%" presentation out of the water.
    Oh I'm not done with you yet.. I am just spending some time on this HIV thing first in orde to put it to bed. It means nothing to this thread in any meaningful way, and it meant nothing other than to illustrate a galring inconsistency with your whole "negatives" approach to the States interest in marriage. But, this is just a preliminary warning to let you know that I intend to review your responses to me in my absence, and if they have merit, I will address them.


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