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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    I just wanted to express my happiness over civil rights being more important than religious dogma. This fight has been one step back for every two steps forward , but the progress is clear and the trend promising. Like segregation there will still be people howling that it's the way it should be , but they will be howling without any teeth. This is the future I see . Once again our children are better than the parents as subjective morality continues to evolve.
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    This is a travesty of epic proportions.
    The votes of 7,100,000 Californians have been discounted, because of one activist Judge, an admitted homosexual no less.

    I don't know why the pro-gay agenda people are celebrating, gays still can't legally marry in the State of California.
    It will be years before this is heard before the Supreme Court.
    In the meantime California still does not recognize same sex marriage as legally binding.

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    On a related note.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So to sum up, if one agree's that marriage is a fundamental right, then one must agree that it has only ever been fundamental to a single group, otherwise there'd be a whole host of different types of marriages. If however one decides that marriage isn't a fundamental right, then a 14th challenge is rendered moot, and the states are free to decide for themselves, and be held accountable by their citizens.


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    Well nobody has agreed that marriage as an institution (whether it be a religious, government, or social institution) is a fundamental right, so the first part of this dilemma you present gets tossed on its ass, leaving us with the 14th.

    fundamental rights and the 14th... hmm, lets see, no mention of fundamental rights directly (there have been court rulings that have used it as a basis to define some, marriage not being one of them) we have this part which seems close to the issue at hand though:

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    now I am no constitutional scholar or anything, but it seems there is a lot of latitude independent of a fundamental rights classification to find issue with this based on the 14th, and the clause I quoted above. That whole equal protection thing is awfully compelling, and I think that is rather central to the ruling was it not? There is also that privilege thingy and due process which i think was also mentioned? . As far as I know privilege ≠ fundamental rights either, and that would also leave room for a challenge based on the 14th independent of this whole "fundamental rights" issue you are manufacturing.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by C-21 Cowboy View Post
    This is a travesty of epic proportions.
    The votes of 7,100,000 Californians have been discounted, because of one activist Judge, an admitted homosexual no less.

    I don't know why the pro-gay agenda people are celebrating, gays still can't legally marry in the State of California.
    It will be years before this is heard before the Supreme Court.
    In the meantime California still does not recognize same sex marriage as legally binding.
    Yeah equal rights, real tavesty

    If prop 8 banned guns instead of gay marriage I doubt you would be calling this a travesty.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    gay marriage in CA---not today

    dadt---kicked down the road

    the president's perspective---it's the same as pedophilia

    prospects in the ultimate upstairs---no chance

    political payback pending---priceless

    sanctimony and pissiness a horrible leader make

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yeah equal rights, real tavesty

    If prop 8 banned guns instead of gay marriage I doubt you would be calling this a travesty.
    Actually, many types of guns are indeed banned in California without a Federal license.
    For example automatic weapons, "machine guns".

    The fact is that the 2nd Amendment protects the citizen's right to keep and bear arms.
    even though there are limits to these rights.

    There is no Constitutional right to marriage, and the legality of Proposition 8
    was already established by the California Supreme Court as a legal referendum. Had the good people of California
    voted against Prop 8, I would respect State's rights to vote down a ban on gay marriage. However
    the referendum passed by a majority vote; and an activist Federal district Judge with a built in bias, as he's an admitted homosexual, decides to throw out the State's right to ban homosexual marriage and 7,100,000 California citizens votes along with it.

    The travesty is in the political activism by a Judge.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by C-21 Cowboy View Post
    Actually, many types of guns are indeed banned in California without a Federal license.
    For example automatic weapons, "machine guns".

    The fact is that the 2nd Amendment protects the citizens's right to keep and bear arms.
    even though there are limits to these rights.

    There is no Constitutional right to marriage, and the legality of Proposition 8
    was already established by the California Supreme Court as a legal referendum. Had the good people of California
    voted against Prop 8, I would respect State's rights to vote down a ban on banning gay marriage. However
    the referendum passed by a majority vote; and an activist Federal district Judge with a built in bias, as he's an admitted homosexual decides to throw out the State's right to ban homosexual marriage and 7,100,000 California citizens votes along with it.

    The travesty is in the political activism by a Judge.
    May I suggest you start with page 1? You present nothing but cliched rhetoric that is already well worn, and it honestly comes across as merely parroting the same old talking points
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the president's perspective---it's the same as pedophilia
    I wish you would stop saying that because you know it isn't true and it is intellectually dishonest and simply ignorant to keep repeating it. The president is obligated by his office to defend federal law, which means the Department of Justice must make a case to defend DOMA even though Obama has openly argued for its repeal. The fact that the DOJ brought up a case of a 16 year old neice has nothing to do with pedophilia. 16 year olds can marry in many states with their parent's consent. And even if there was sex involved, it has nothing to do with pedophilia, which has to do with prepubescent children, not those in their late teenage years.

    All you are trying to do at this point is bait and incite people, and it is trollish behavior.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    The real travesty is that 7,100,000 Californians feel justified in denying equality.
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