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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    In the middle of a repsonse do Dana when T-Storm knocked out power. On my pre now. Will have to respond to all at some point later. Thanks to most for some very engaging convo and debate

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I grow weary of this thread............I think there is one thing we all can agree on.......This issue will go to the SCOTUS to be decided........In the end I am willing to abide by their decision............To all you "Feel good Libs" and gays out there are you willing to do the same????????????????????
    Well I posted this 6 pages ago trying to get a commitment from you lefties to abide by the decision of the SCOTUS on this issue and let it die in peace........Why am I not surprised that not one of you took me up on my offer? Talk about a bunch of hypocrites......
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ah, I see, so you're with Zyphlin on this. Marriage is not fundamental, but it is constitutional? You realize that rights not enumerated are considered fundamental, right?

    Thanks for handing me me one.. Right back atcha..

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    The reason I'm pressing the fundamental issue should be clear now to everyone. Based on the definition I provided, which no one has disputed "yet", of what constitutes a fundamental right, one might argue that if marriage was a fundamental right, where such rights thus belong without presumption or cost of privilege to all human beings under such jurisdiction, then one cannot deny that marriage historically belonged to one group. That of a man, and a woman. If marriage is fundamental to all humans, then surely, notwithstanding some minor exceptions, we would have seen it in other cultures, and along many different types of marriage. Yet, we have not, not ever. So how fundamental can marriage really be, if all humans, have not realized it as such, and just got married any old way they choose? Why have we not seen it? So, with this logic, one can only conclude that if marriage is fundamental at all, it must be findamental to bonds where there exists only one man, and one woman.

    Lacking a fundamental defintion, the Supreme Court of the US, must reject the case at bar, as moot, since no violation fo the 14th Amendment exists, and the States are free to legislate as they see fit, based on any criteria that does not violate the constitutional meaning, and understanding of what constitutes a fundamental right. Only fundamental rights are protected, all others are open season.


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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well I posted this 6 pages ago trying to get a commitment from you lefties to abide by the decision of the SCOTUS on this issue and let it die in peace........Why am I not surprised that not one of you took me up on my offer? Talk about a bunch of hypocrites......
    The only way to not abide by a SCOTUS decision is to amend the constitution, which is unlikely to pass either way. So it's kinda a nonquestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Actually, pal, the argument is clear if you know anything about the case law surrounding marriage. First and foremost, all legal assertions point to the marriage contract being one in which you name "one person irreplaceable" (Perez v Sharp) and to hold a "place of unique and singular value" (Perez v Sharp) to you. A polygamous relationship, by its very definition, precludes this arrangement from ever taking place and, thus, has no relevance to the gay marriage debate.
    what were perez' and sharp's genders?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what were perez' and sharp's genders?
    Irrelevant........

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    which means that the government can not issue marriage lisences.

    which is sacrificing functionality for form.
    Our forefathers never got marriage licenses. They just got married. The only reason the government got involved, and started requiring licenses, was due to Jim Crow in the South, and eugenics in the North.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Because we're all thinking adults who don't take orders or requests from internet strangers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well I posted this 6 pages ago trying to get a commitment from you lefties to abide by the decision of the SCOTUS on this issue and let it die in peace........Why am I not surprised that not one of you took me up on my offer? Talk about a bunch of hypocrites......

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I would love for you to demonstrate the somersaults and contortions in comprehension and logic that led you to believe that I voiced an agreement with Zyphlin...
    Well is marriage in your opinion fundamental or isn't it? We already know that the law says it's between two people, but that's a substantive interpretation. You're logic essentially states that because the courts say so in Perez v Sharp it is so..

    Answer the question. Is marriage a fundamental right or isn't it?


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