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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The liberals here seem to shy away form the polygamy argument, as it tends to nullify the "fundamental" meaning of marriage. This is precisely my point. If marriage is so fundamental, then by what measure is it so? What is it about marriage that makes it fundamental, or inalieanable?

    Liberals care to weigh in?
    The right of marriage is the right to two parties to choose a spouse, and with free and mutual consent, join together and form a household where they then consent to support each other and their dependents. If polygamists wish to argue that the state has an interest in promoting marriage that includes more than two parties, then let them. They must provide evidence to support that they can provide just as stable homes as heterosexual couples and same sex couples. It has been more than adequately demonstrated through evidence in this case that same sex couples are just as capable of providing a stable household and raising children as heterosexual couples. There is no evidence to support that polygamists are similarly capable. As such, arguments of polygamy are irrelevant to same sex marriage.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed.

    But saying its discrimination for him not to be able to have 2 spouses instead of 1 IS number of people.
    two?

    that's it?

    that's your grand constitutional construct?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I don't expect, in fact, I kNOW it is beyond your comprehension.

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    Actually, I am quite certain that this issue that you are discussing is beyond YOUR comprehension. You do not seem to understand the difference between information and influence, and what occurs in our schools. Have you ever taught sex education? I have and your perception is not only inaccurate, but it is absurd.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Just because he was nominated by a Conservative does not make him one.............Soutar comes to mind.........
    Do you have any clue why he was opposed by liberals? Do you have any evidence he is a liberal?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, and has been explained repeatedly, wanting gay marriage is not the same thing as wanting marriage in any and every case with no limits. Zyphlin has pointed out the legal differences between gays, men and women, and polygamists.
    And he's wrong.. If one beleives that marriage is fundamental right, then any type of marriage is. Is it not?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Just another sign that gays want their immoral behavior to be seen as normal
    This demonstrates that you do not understand the issue either. Define immoral.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    barack hussein obama's dept of justice equated gay marriage to pedophilia

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    what's going on with dadt?
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    DADT is currently undergoing a 1 year review by the pentagon, looking into how to handle possible issues with repeal. This review will finish in December. This is all easy to get information if you put the slightest effort into doing so.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    And he's wrong.. If one beleives that marriage is fundamental right, then any type of marriage is. Is it not?

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    Exactly right. And that is what many on the other side refuse to admit.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    And he's wrong.. If one beleives that marriage is fundamental right, then any type of marriage is. Is it not?

    Tim-
    As I said before, the right of marriage is the right of two parties to choose a spouse, and with free and mutual consent, join together and form a household where they then consent to support each other and their dependents. If polygamists wish to argue that the state has an interest in promoting marriage that includes more than two parties, then let them. They must provide evidence to support that they can provide just as stable homes as heterosexual couples and same sex couples. It has been more than adequately demonstrated through evidence in this case that same sex couples are just as capable of providing a stable household and raising children as heterosexual couples. There is no evidence to support that polygamists are similarly capable. As such, arguments of polygamy are irrelevant to same sex marriage.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If polygamists wish to argue that the state has an interest in promoting marriage that includes more than two parties, then let them. They must provide evidence to support that they can provide just as stable homes as heterosexual couples and same sex couples.
    they've been LEGISLATED into virtual non existence, get real

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