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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It does not say marriage
    No it doesn't. As explained earlier, it doesn't mention anything specific. It says "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The judge who rules in the DOMA case from Mass claimed over 1000 references in federal law to privileges under marriage.
    Yet his ruling only applies to MA

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You have evidence its always 1%? Because I know that isn't true.
    That was poor wording on my part. There should have been an "if" in there. I do not know the margin of victory in any of them, though the Cali one was close, and polling suggests it might not pass if it was voted on today.
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    The will of the people is the Constitution of the United States of America, not a ballot measure passed by a slim majority of California voters, nor any other ballot measure passed in any other state. The judge determined that the will of the voters in California violated the rights of a minority guaranteed by the federal Constitution. Those rights were equal protection under the law as guaranteed by the Equal Protection Clause and the right to Due Process. The law is written, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Supreme Court precedent holds that marriage is a fundamental Constitutional right...

    Taylor versus Safely (1987): "the decision to marry is a fundamental right" and "marriage is an expression of emotional support and public commitment."

    Zablocki versus Redhail (1978): "The right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals."

    Cleveland Board of Education versus LaFleur (1974): "This court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected buy the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."

    Loving versus Virginia (1967): The "freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

    The judge defended the will of the people, the federal Constitution; by overturning Proposition 8, which sought to mandate gender roles and restrict same sex couples to a culturally inferior institution by excluding them from marriage and the cultural dignity, respect, and stature inherent in marriage. The state has no interest in excluding one group from a fundamental right without rational basis and so the judge was obligated to overturn it.

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Marriage is a contract connected to hundreds of privileges between the two who forge said contract. Your god has nothing to do with it, nor can it be invoked in proper, legal discussion. Gods have no place in the laws of man.
    If that is what you believe why no do your own contract and avoid the government taxes and interference?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In regards to members of the same family, it’s a reasonable argument to make that the state has legitimate and reasoned state interest to deny such marriages due to the fact that procreation between those two individuals has a higher chance for genetic deformity which could place a drain on society as a whole in having to help support that individual. However, I actually have no issues with two siblings or two cousins getting married in a governmental sense…though I think the term “marriage” should be removed as a whole. There’s no reasons in situations where a pair of siblings are going to be together for a substantial amount of time that benefits with regards to power of attorney type issues, taxes, real estate purchase, and other type things should be denied to them. Do I think they should be screwing each other? Nope, and I agree completely with incest laws regarding sex…but simply as governmental marriage, I have little issue with it. Your example in Washington with the older people is exactly what I am describing.

    Polygamy issues don’t factor into what I said at all. Polygamy is discrimination based on numbers which one, is allowable, and two, even if it was covered by equal protection its covered at a far lower standard than gender is.

    But navy, rather than simply asking questions and deflecting, why don’t you answer mine.

    Where is the equal protection based on gender in the fact you can marry a woman but a woman can’t marry a woman?
    They don't factor in because they don't meet your agenda.......Like I said earlier which you are ignoring is in the state of Washington we have domestic partnerships for Gays and it all includes elderly member of the same family who want a domestic partnership for the benefits provided............

    There is no sex involved....What part of that do you not understand?

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I see. I guess you then just toss this out the window:

    "Given the empirical and local value-laden nature of the questions that lie at the heart of the issue, why, in a nation whose constitution foresees democratic decision-making, is it so fundamental a matter as to require taking that power from the people? What is it here that the people did not know? What is it that a judge knows better?"
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    who are you to tell a man he can't marry a man?

    and who are you to tell a bisexual he can't marry 2?

    he or she has needs, too, y'know

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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If that is what you believe why no do your own contract and avoid the government taxes and interference?
    Because the marriage license is conected to hundreds of privleges between the two who forge the contract. Were you not paying attention?
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    Re: California gay marriage ban overturned: report

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is you made it about sex I never mentioned sex
    Do tell how immorality comes into play then, and what exactly you were inferring with your word choice then, what immorality would there be other than sexual immorality in this scenario?

    Seems like a pathetic attempt to weasel out of what you stated to me
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