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Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

Catz Part Deux said:
I don't really know if I WANT my employer to pass those kinds of laws. The closest I've come to being shot was in a police department, when a narcotics detective down the hall was cleaning his gun and it misfired through the wall above my head.

When I think about the stupidity of many people, I have to say...I don't want those numbskulls carrying guns.
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When people can prove that they can operate vehicles in a responsible manner I'll consider it. :lol:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
When people prove that they can operate their genitals in a responsible manner, I'll consider it. ;)
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Maybe that cop was just making a glory hole. :2razz:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I don't really know if I WANT my employer to pass those kinds of laws. The closest I've come to being shot was in a police department, when a narcotics detective down the hall was cleaning his gun and it misfired through the wall above my head.

When I think about the stupidity of many people, I have to say...I don't want those numbskulls carrying guns.
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I've been teaching private citizens gun skills for a long time now. Never had any unintentional discharges in my presence by concealed carry permit holders, and I've spent range time with literally hundreds.

OTOH when I was a cop, there were 4 accidental discharges by other cops that I knew about...

So maybe we should allow CCW's to carry and take the cops' guns away... :mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
I've been teaching private citizens gun skills for a long time now. Never had any unintentional discharges in my presence by concealed carry permit holders, and I've spent range time with literally hundreds.

OTOH when I was a cop, there were 4 accidental discharges by other cops that I knew about...

So maybe we should allow CCW's to carry and take the cops' guns away... :mrgreen:
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True fact....


back in the late 90's (i dont know the statistic now).... NYPD if they were shooting at you had an 11% hit rate.... Criminals on the otherhand had a 21% hit rate...


I used to tease some of the NYPD types that would come to our pistol/carbine classes that the safest place to be when a cop is shooting at you.... Right in front of him. :prof
 
Goshin said:
I've been teaching private citizens gun skills for a long time now. Never had any unintentional discharges in my presence by concealed carry permit holders, and I've spent range time with literally hundreds.

OTOH when I was a cop, there were 4 accidental discharges by other cops that I knew about...

So maybe we should allow CCW's to carry and take the cops' guns away... :mrgreen:
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Goshin said:
I've been teaching private citizens gun skills for a long time now. Never had any unintentional discharges in my presence by concealed carry permit holders, and I've spent range time with literally hundreds.

OTOH when I was a cop, there were 4 accidental discharges by other cops that I knew about...

So maybe we should allow CCW's to carry and take the cops' guns away... :mrgreen:
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Right after Utah passed more lenient CC laws, one of our local state legislators went chasing after some dude in the desert for stealing his hubcaps or something, firing off rounds as he went.

I have zero problems with CC, but I don't want them carrying in my office.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I used to tease some of the NYPD types that would come to our pistol/carbine classes that the safest place to be when a cop is shooting at you.... Right in front of him. :prof
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I was peeing one day, and looked over at the floor on the stall next to me, where I saw a service revolver laying on the floor in front of the toilet. One of the female officers had forgotten it.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Right after Utah passed more lenient CC laws, one of our local state legislators went chasing after some dude in the desert for stealing his hubcaps or something, firing off rounds as he went.

I have zero problems with CC, but I don't want them carrying in my office.
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The Good Reverend has a Utah CCW, never stepped foot in the state. :prof
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This video should be a public safety announcement about why Glocks suck....
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Never put your finger on the trigger unless you intend on firing it.

To be fair, this guy's foot was threatening him. :lol:
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Never put your finger on the trigger unless you intend on firing it.

To be fair, this guy's foot was threatening him. :lol:
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True..... though when your safety is in the middle of the trigger, the room for error goes way down.....


My cocked and locked 1911 is a safer design than a POS glock.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I think it would be really appalling and disgusting for any of us to attempt to use this tragedy to make political hay on a gun agenda, whether that agenda is pro or anti-gun.
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I agree completely, however, it doesn't seem to stop either side from doing so, does it? The gun freaks will still go on and on about how everyone should have a piece strapped on, and the anti-gunners will complain that guns exist. Personally, I think they are both ridiculous positions. That's why I won't bother reading the rest of the drivel in this thread, it's all been said before and it hasn't changed even one person's mind.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
True..... though when your safety is in the middle of the trigger, the room for error goes way down.....


My cocked and locked 1911 is a safer design than a POS glock.
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Do you know, all 4 AD's that I was talking about (the cop shop I worked in} were with Glocks?

I've never had any problems with Glocks personally, but DAYUM it does seem like some people do, don't they? WTH is up with that anyway?

I don't carry one personally but I've shot plenty. I carry standard-design DAOs and have never had an AD with them. Got buddies that pack Glocks daily, don't know that they've had any AD's.

Seems like cops and Glocks just don't go together well. Maybe it's a good thing that so many are switching to Smith M&P's.
 
danarhea said:
I see your new item and raise you an instance of race baiting.

The man's family is saying that the shooter did this because of racism, which was the reason he was fired.

The truth is that the shooter was fired for stealing beer.

This story has an eerie parallel, right from my own real life. Those who live in the Houston area may be familiar with the murder of the owner of a flower shop in Sugar Land, just outside of Houston. One of our technicians is going to be a witness in the capital murder trial of the perpetrator. In May, the flower shop was moving to a new location in the same building, and I sold the owner the refrigeration services for her move. After our technician finished his job, he was giving the invoice to the owner of the store, and was there when she fired an employee for theft, and told him that she was going to file charges against him. A week later, that same employee waited outside the store until it closed, followed the owner home, shot her between the eyes, took her body back to the property where the store was located, dumped the body in the artificial lake behind the property, then fled with her car and credit cards. He was apprehended in Mississippi, and brought back to Sugar Land to stand trial for capital murder. There is no doubt that he is going to get the death penalty upon conviction. Guess what the killer's father is claiming? Yup, you guessed it. Racism.

Yes, there is still racism in America, and I would like to see it all go away. But it won't. Part of the reason is that racism is something that is strongly ingrained in some people, who will always hate. But another part of the reason is that some people choose to race bait instead of taking responsibility for their actions, or the actions of their loved ones. And, as long as race baiting exists, it will be another factor that enables racism. Fact is, racism or not, the shooter here, as well as the Sugar Land flower shop killer, is a murderer. No amount of race baiting is going to mitigate the obvious.
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Exactly. IF he was harrassed due to his race, it is completely, totally and 100% irrelevant to him shooting and killing 9 people. I don't give a **** if they called him a ****ing nigger to his face every single day. That doesn't lessen the maliciousness and depravity of what he did. Any allegations of racism, real or imagined, only distract from the real issues.
 
The Uncola said:
I agree completely, however, it doesn't seem to stop either side from doing so, does it? The gun freaks will still go on and on about how everyone should have a piece strapped on, and the anti-gunners will complain that guns exist. Personally, I think they are both ridiculous positions. That's why I won't bother reading the rest of the drivel in this thread, it's all been said before and it hasn't changed even one person's mind.
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Hi strawman, you want to show how "gun freaks" think everyone should be "Strapped"?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Hi strawman, you want to show how "gun freaks" think everyone should be "Strapped"?
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I think anyone who has a clean criminal record, has passed the required classes and obtained a CCW, should be able to carry anywhere except those places with obvious security issues (courthouse, chemical plant, etc.}

There is no evidence available to indicate that such people constitute a problem of any kind. In reality, there is much evidence that CCW's are much less likely to cause problems than the general public.... and at least arguably less likely to shoot the wrong person and have ADs than the cops. :doh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#cite_note-39

North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.[61]

Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,500 permits for any reason.[62]
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Now if you don't want to pack a gun, don't. Nobody says you have to. :shrug:


The likelihood that accidental shootings will occur is commonly overstated, also.

Firearms Accidents and Firearms Safety Education
Fatal Firearms Accidents for All Ages Annually: 1,134 nationwide in 1996. Rate of 0.4 per 100T population. Represents a roughly 90% decrease from record high in 1904. Accident rate is down by 65% since 1930, while U.S. population has doubled and number of privately-owned firearms has quadrupled. Compare to other types of fatal accidents, for all ages: Motor Vehicles 16.7/100T, Falls 4.8/100T, Poisoning 4.0/100T, Drowning 1.7/100T, Fires 1.6/100T, Choking 1.1/100T.(National Safety Council, National Center for Health Statistics, BATF, US Census)

Fatal Firearms Accidents for Children 14 and Under Annually: 138 nationwide in 1996. About 3% of all fatal accidents under age 14. Represents a 75% decrease from record high of 550 in 1975. Compared to other types of fatal accidents for children: Motor Vehicles 44%, Fires 16%, Drowning 14%, Choking 4.5%.(Nat'l Safety Council, Nat'l Center for Health Statistics)
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Hi strawman, you want to show how "gun freaks" think everyone should be "Strapped"?
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Well, you know Rev. that they have to defer to derision and appeal to ridicule fallacy when they can't win the arguments in a fair debate. Are we really surprised?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This video should be a public safety announcement about why Glocks suck....
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More like "How being a Pompous Ass and Strutting Around is likely to come back to bite you." :doh
 
Sadly,

I firmly believe, if in fact there were another 20 gun toting red blooded americans around when these shootings occur, who were "pre-tuned" to "High alert" status anyway, (which is why they carry), then a travesty of 5-6 dead would in all probability become a larger travesty of 10-15 dead. As people, we are emotionally driven, sometimes beyond rationale, and i just believe that would lead to larger numbers of victims. To me, that's defeating...and sad....So the question remains, "What do you do?", "How do we solve the problem"?...We can't realistically stop these events from happening, only mitigate the outcomes.
 
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