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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That son-of-a-bitch is in trouble now! Using an illegal weapon to commit a murder!
    Well played sir!
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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Hence my comments above. Gun proponents, most of you aren't going to be carrying a weapon on your person or in your desk at work, thus it wouldn't be accessible when you needed it in a scenario like this. Gun opponents, you can't outlaw crazy. Banning guns just leads to criminals being the only ones with guns.

    Mass killings are tragedies, but they are tragedies that are very difficult to prevent through gun possession/banning. That's the logical facts.
    Truth be told, after the loss of life (which trumps all and probably should have its own and separate thread) perhaps the GREATEST tragedy isnt that individuals werent allowed to be packin heat...its that we have been pussified to believe that when someone starts firing our best recourse is to hide and look for a safe place to die when the asshole shoots us or runs out of bullets. Unless we are talking a fully automatic weapon there are probably 101 different weapons within arms reach that any one or two people could employ that would either stop an individual or screw up their aim long enough to attack and disable them. And no...Im not talking about guerrila forces or special ops training. A set of keys, followed by a wallet, a pocket knife, a book, an iPod, a clipboard, or even a pen, then a cell phone in a barrage would make damn near anyone flinch even when holding a weapon. its unexpected and abnormal to stand unflinching while an object is flying at your eyes. We need to teach people to stop with the victim mentality. Lay down and die...dont worry, the cops will protect you.

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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Hence my comments above. Gun proponents, most people aren't going to be carrying a weapon on their person or in their desk at work in corporate America, thus it wouldn't be accessible when needed it in a scenario like this. Gun opponents, you can't outlaw crazy. Banning guns just leads to criminals being the only ones with guns.

    Mass killings are tragedies, but they are tragedies that are very difficult to prevent through gun possession/banning. That's the logical facts.
    I disagree with that Catz. Many people hold defensive arms as close to themselves as possible. I can't bring them into certain establishments and that is fine, but my firearm is normally within a reasonable distance to me in proximity. I'm not a rare case in the south.
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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Truth be told, after the loss of life (which trumps all and probably should have its own and separate thread) perhaps the GREATEST tragedy isnt that individuals werent allowed to be packin heat...its that we have been pussified to believe that when someone starts firing our best recourse is to hide and look for a safe place to die when the asshole shoots us or runs out of bullets. Unless we are talking a fully automatic weapon there are probably 101 different weapons within arms reach that any one or two people could employ that would either stop an individual or screw up their aim long enough to attack and disable them. And no...Im not talking about guerrila forces or special ops training. A set of keys, followed by a wallet, a pocket knife, a book, an iPod, a clipboard, or even a pen, then a cell phone in a barrage would make damn near anyone flinch even when holding a weapon. its unexpected and abnormal to stand unflinching while an object is flying at your eyes. We need to teach people to stop with the victim mentality. Lay down and die...dont worry, the cops will protect you.
    Situational awareness. I cannot stress to people enough how important it is to know your surroundings, how to read people, and keep a level head in case a crisis should happen to occur. In this situation a combination of a mentally unstable person and panic resulted in multiple needless deaths.
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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think it would be really appalling and disgusting for any of us to attempt to use this tragedy to make political hay on a gun agenda, whether that agenda is pro or anti-gun.



    I fully FULLY disagree.... When these tragedies happen it is imperative we learn from our mistakes...... The difference between life and death due to restrictions on CONSTITUTIONAL freedoms, should always be brought to the forfront...

    You have the rest of your life to win a gunfight as these people sadly found out.



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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Truth be told, after the loss of life (which trumps all and probably should have its own and separate thread) perhaps the GREATEST tragedy isnt that individuals werent allowed to be packin heat...its that we have been pussified to believe that when someone starts firing our best recourse is to hide and look for a safe place to die when the asshole shoots us or runs out of bullets. Unless we are talking a fully automatic weapon there are probably 101 different weapons within arms reach that any one or two people could employ that would either stop an individual or screw up their aim long enough to attack and disable them. And no...Im not talking about guerrila forces or special ops training. A set of keys, followed by a wallet, a pocket knife, a book, an iPod, a clipboard, or even a pen, then a cell phone in a barrage would make damn near anyone flinch even when holding a weapon. its unexpected and abnormal to stand unflinching while an object is flying at your eyes. We need to teach people to stop with the victim mentality. Lay down and die...dont worry, the cops will protect you.



    Exactly....


    When seconds matter the police are just minutes away.....


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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I agree that in hostage or very violent situations where a gunman assures impending harm, the best method is to simply kill him. It's not like his guilt is in question.

    I do find it distasteful though that this incident is being used as part of the pro-gun agenda. Just because people can carry concealed in some areas does not mean that all factors would line up in their favor in a situation like this. Someone could pull a gun on him and easily get shot dead if he reacts fast enough. I mean, who knows how it could really go down in a situation that is so volatile and unpredictable. Adding more guns does not guarantee a positive outcome per se.




    A gun and training simply increases ones chances of survival... What is distasteful in my opinion is that we breed complacency and victim hood, instead of courage and responsibility... How many were shot at at columbine? VT? Could a mentality of fight instead of surrender saved folk? Absolutely. Could a CCW carrier on campus reacted and quickly ended this? Absolutely...




    We breed weakness and surrender into our children and that is a recipe for disaster. If a gunman walked into the office I was in, he'd need to shoot me first.... Otherwise, the distance would be closed before the first victim hit the floor....

    If it were a place I was permitted to CC, he'd probably not get that far...
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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Hence my comments above. Gun proponents, most people aren't going to be carrying a weapon on their person or in their desk at work in corporate America, thus it wouldn't be accessible when needed it in a scenario like this. Gun opponents, you can't outlaw crazy. Banning guns just leads to criminals being the only ones with guns.

    Mass killings are tragedies, but they are tragedies that are very difficult to prevent through gun possession/banning. That's the logical facts.


    Completley disagree.... A trained armed civillian in these cases I have mentioned in my flury of posts could have (could have) been mitigated here. It's a sad testament to our reliance on others for our very lives.


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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Truth be told, after the loss of life (which trumps all and probably should have its own and separate thread) perhaps the GREATEST tragedy isnt that individuals werent allowed to be packin heat...its that we have been pussified to believe that when someone starts firing our best recourse is to hide and look for a safe place to die when the asshole shoots us or runs out of bullets. Unless we are talking a fully automatic weapon there are probably 101 different weapons within arms reach that any one or two people could employ that would either stop an individual or screw up their aim long enough to attack and disable them. And no...Im not talking about guerrila forces or special ops training. A set of keys, followed by a wallet, a pocket knife, a book, an iPod, a clipboard, or even a pen, then a cell phone in a barrage would make damn near anyone flinch even when holding a weapon. its unexpected and abnormal to stand unflinching while an object is flying at your eyes. We need to teach people to stop with the victim mentality. Lay down and die...dont worry, the cops will protect you.
    Oh, I agree with you on that one. I worked for a police agency. The police aren't good at stopping mass killings, they are good at cleaning up after them. Except my buddy Dave, who stopped one in Salt Lake City by being quickly on the scene and shooting the perp.

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    Re: Gunman Kills Self and Others at CT Company

    I see your new item and raise you an instance of race baiting.

    The man's family is saying that the shooter did this because of racism, which was the reason he was fired
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    The truth is that the shooter was fired for stealing beer.

    This story has an eerie parallel, right from my own real life. Those who live in the Houston area may be familiar with the murder of the owner of a flower shop in Sugar Land, just outside of Houston. One of our technicians is going to be a witness in the capital murder trial of the perpetrator. In May, the flower shop was moving to a new location in the same building, and I sold the owner the refrigeration services for her move. After our technician finished his job, he was giving the invoice to the owner of the store, and was there when she fired an employee for theft, and told him that she was going to file charges against him. A week later, that same employee waited outside the store until it closed, followed the owner home, shot her between the eyes, took her body back to the property where the store was located, dumped the body in the artificial lake behind the property, then fled with her car and credit cards. He was apprehended in Mississippi, and brought back to Sugar Land to stand trial for capital murder. There is no doubt that he is going to get the death penalty upon conviction. Guess what the killer's father is claiming? Yup, you guessed it. Racism.

    Yes, there is still racism in America, and I would like to see it all go away. But it won't. Part of the reason is that racism is something that is strongly ingrained in some people, who will always hate. But another part of the reason is that some people choose to race bait instead of taking responsibility for their actions, or the actions of their loved ones. And, as long as race baiting exists, it will be another factor that enables racism. Fact is, racism or not, the shooter here, as well as the Sugar Land flower shop killer, is a murderer. No amount of race baiting is going to mitigate the obvious.
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