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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    For all the “historical context” that's being offered up on the Internet, the reality is the argument about birthright citizenship has already been to the Supreme Court.



    I personally feel it is deplorable that Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has proposed amending the Constitution. But that's just a huge time consuming distraction; the fourteenth amendment will never be altered and birthright citizen will remain.

    Conservatives who are so hot about “anchor babies” demonstrate their ignorance of the real immigration issues challenging this country. They appear to be looking for somebody to blame all their troubles on; but, they don't want somebody who can actually fight back! They want someone vulnerable, someone who can't defend themselves. Their latest victims? “Anchor babies.” Good grief!
    and would you be so kind to express what you consider the "real immigration" issue is. It is interesting that some consider illegal immigration in the same context as legal immigration. IMO, they are two seperate issues and do not have the same solutions. We are either going to enforce the laws or not. Selective enforcement while ignoring others is not a solution.

    Even China has companies set up to assist mothers to be to come to the US to have the baby. Bingo, another US citizen with non US parents. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071701402.html. Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    No. I did those things when I was young. I'm not going to do it now. There are jobs for teenagers, college students, and adults. I worked in corn fields and cleaned bathrooms as a fast-food employee at that time.

    I'm still paying for my college education so I can get paid to do what makes me happy. I don't make a ton of money; but I make enough to get by and at some points in the year, I work up to 100 hours in a week; so that in the summers I have a lot more free time. I also worked at a video store at night as an adult so I could afford to break into my career field by starting up a not-for-profit organization in the day. And today, the organization I work for has an annual economic impact of over $1 million, which is the equivalent of creating 25 jobs a year.
    It's only in your fantasy that people who disagree with you don't work hard.

    But, what you and many others fail to recognize is that people will only take the jobs that they worked as teens if they're valued properly. They're usually only about $7 - $8 per hour. Thus, most people with a college education won't take those jobs.

    Additionally, if I were hiring, I wouldn't hire someone with a college education to do those things, because as soon as a better job comes along, they're out the door.

    But you can ignore those practicalities and get back to attacking babies.
    Could you explain what this means in plain english please? Are there actually 25 jobs created? Or is this more Washington DC math?

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    … Even China has companies set up to assist mothers to be to come to the US to have the baby. Bingo, another US citizen with non US parents. For many pregnant Chinese, a U.S. passport for baby remains a powerful lure. Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.
    And … help me here … and the urgent threat to the nation which requires us to change our Constitution … is … what? Baby Chinese growing up in China with American passports? Really?

    I agree with you on this much: “Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.” We just disagree on what the insanity is.

    You know that conservatives have gone completely off the deep end when Lou Dobbs of all people is the voice of reason in an immigration discussion.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    And … help me here … and the urgent threat to the nation which requires us to change our Constitution … is … what? Baby Chinese growing up in China with American passports? Really?

    I agree with you on this much: “Something needs to be done to stop this insanity.” We just disagree on what the insanity is.

    You know that conservatives have gone completely off the deep end when Lou Dobbs of all people is the voice of reason in an immigration discussion.

    This is what I would expect coming from a sanctuary city. You are out of touch of the problem of illegals in the US. If we did not let illegals in to the US to have babies, we would not have much of an issue over the 14th.

    So let me ask you, (bet you don't give a straight answer), you don't think it is a issue/problem on non US citizens entering the US illegally with the intent of having their baby? You have no problem with other countries setting up baby tours into the US with the intent of having expectent mothers to give birth to their child soley for the baby to be a US citizen? You also never gave an answer of what you view the real immigration issue is.

    Your quick to condem "conservatives", yet you give no solutions. typical.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Attacking the foundational principle that all people born in the United States of America are full and equal citizens is about as anti-American as it gets in my opinion. I look around and I see a lot of anti-Americans.
    Then I guess the Founders were anti-American, since the 14th amendment didn't exist.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    It's asinine that an illegal or a tourist can give birth and the baby get automatic citizenship.
    This needs to change. I'm shocked that people actually support this.

    If it requires a constitutional amendment I'm all for it.

    If it's a matter of the SCOTUS interpreting the law correctly then they need to do so.

    Something NEEDS to be done though.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    Then I guess the Founders were anti-American, since the 14th amendment didn't exist.
    Did you really go there? Really? What might be considered "Anti-American" now and in 1780 are very different things. Women couldn't vote back then, yet I'd consider anyone who tried to take away the franchise from women backwards and anti-American. Our founding fathers were great people who did unprecedented things, but on certain issues they were still essentially cave men. Let's acknowledge that we are forever in a debt to them, but let us also acknowledge that times change.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    We can only hope that cooler heads, both on the left and the right, prevail over the hotheads on the issue.

    “They're going to fire up their base, but I think it's a damaging strategy for independents. If I'm an independent and I look at [GOP Gov.] Rick Perry saying Texas is going to secede from the union, and now I hear the Republican Party saying repeal the 14th Amendment — which has done so much good for the country — I'm beginning to worry that these guys are cuckoo.

    “Not all Republicans – there are plenty of good ones – but there are a lot of people who are nuts in there.”

    — Gov. Ed Rendell (D-PA)¹
    “The 14th Amendment is a great legacy of the Republican party. It is a shame and an embarrassment that the GOP now wants to amend it for starkly political reasons. Initially Republicans rallied around the amendment to welcome more citizens to this country. Now it is being used to drive people away.”

    — Mark McKinnon, George W. Bush campaign media advisor²
    “That is the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment: They essentially wanted to take this very difficult issue — citizenship — outside of the political realm.”

    — Michael Gerson, a former George W. Bush speechwriter, ibid.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Cooler heads . . . like Harry Reid?

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Just because other countries do it doesn't mean we should. I see no reason why we should change our laws just because another country does. Do you want to switch to a parliamentary system too?
    Far more countries have presidential systems than grant birthright citizenship to all...
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