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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Same tactic again, I wonder if this works? Will I persuade people by ignoring what they are saying and starting a mild attack on them? Maybe noone will notice? Hmmm
    Don't worry about it.... Chappy is good at ignoring facts if it goes against his agenda.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Some people offer opinions that are based on personal expertise or are carefully considered and based on publicly available material which they identify and often link to. I appreciate when they post even when they are polar opposites to my politics. And, in some cases, I take the time to follow the links and I learn what other people are reading. I frequently don't feel obliged to reply, though; my goal is to share my thinking and learn what others are thinking, not to persuade or be persuaded.

    All the other crap that gets posted, I basically ignore. It's awful easy to post nonsense culled from other nonsense. Anonymous posters demanding replies from other anonymous posters is just too ludicrous. There are chat rooms for such interactions. It just clutters up the thread in my opinion.

    But, hey, to each his own.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Some people offer opinions that are based on personal expertise or are carefully considered and based on publicly available material which they identify and often link to. I appreciate when they post even when they are polar opposites to my politics. And, in some cases, I take the time to follow the links and I learn what other people are reading. I frequently don't feel obliged to reply, though; my goal is to share my thinking and learn what others are thinking, not to persuade or be persuaded.

    All the other crap that gets posted, I basically ignore. It's awful easy to post nonsense culled from other nonsense. Anonymous posters demanding replies from other anonymous posters is just too ludicrous. There are chat rooms for such interactions. It just clutters up the thread in my opinion.

    But, hey, to each his own.
    And yet the post you were bitching about gave references for every point made, and every historical speech…. Funny how you missed debating the issue and went straight to attack the poster mode.

    Says volumes about your ability to refute any of it.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    For all the “historical context” that's being offered up on the Internet, the reality is the argument about birthright citizenship has already been to the Supreme Court.

    Excerpted from “Citizenship From Birth Is Challenged on the Right” By JULIA PRESTON, The New York Times, Published: August 6, 2010
    … [G]iving citizenship to everyone born in the United States has been the practice since the 1860s, and was upheld by the Supreme Court on the few occasions when it was tested there, immigration lawyers said. A change to the law to disallow the children of illegal immigrants would vastly increase the undocumented population, lawyers said, rather than reducing it. Babies born to Mexican mothers here illegally, for example, would become illegal Mexican immigrants from the moment of birth.

    “You would be perpetuating a large undocumented population, with all these children growing up very much living in the shadows,” said Hiroshi Motomura, an immigration law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.

    Mr. Graham’s proposal revived a popular misunderstanding: In the often heated debate over birthright citizenship, pundits refer to the problem of “anchor babies,” and talk show callers express frustration that pregnant women could cross the border from Mexico illegally, then rely on their American citizen newborns to put them immediately on a path to citizenship.

    In fact, under immigration law American citizen children must wait until they are 21 years old to apply for legal residency for their parents.
    Also, most of the illegal immigrants who have children who are American citizens have not recently arrived.
    I personally feel it is deplorable that Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has proposed amending the Constitution. But that's just a huge time consuming distraction; the fourteenth amendment will never be altered and birthright citizen will remain.

    Conservatives who are so hot about “anchor babies” demonstrate their ignorance of the real immigration issues challenging this country. They appear to be looking for somebody to blame all their troubles on; but, they don't want somebody who can actually fight back! They want someone vulnerable, someone who can't defend themselves. Their latest victims? “Anchor babies.” Good grief!
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    And yet the post you were bitching about gave references for every point made, and every historical speech…. Funny how you missed debating the issue and went straight to attack the poster mode.

    Says volumes about your ability to refute any of it.
    You deserve “special treatment” as an offender of the first order, copying and pasting. You never did own up either. Shameless, too, aye.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You deserve “special treatment” as an offender of the first order, copying and pasting. You never did own up either. Shameless, too, aye.
    Is there a new forum rule I'm not aware of that we now can't copy and paste? Why don't you knock off trying to be a MOD and just refute what I posted?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Look, I don't know a college educated person who would clean toilets or clear landscaping
    Really? Because I have a lot of friends who are college graduates or currently in college who do all sorts of jobs from cleaning toilets to answering phones to construction. Of course the majority of my friends grew up in Conservative households where they were taught that hard work no matter what the job is something to be proud of. Funny the way that works huh? I guess all those liberal college kids think they are above that because they sit around and read textbooks then go get S***faced drunk.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh...and look at your California economy...who is in control of legislation there? And how is THAT working out? And damn near every other welfare sta...I mean blue state in the country for that matter...
    Nah you got it right. New Yorkistan is no different.


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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    Really? Because I have a lot of friends who are college graduates or currently in college who do all sorts of jobs from cleaning toilets to answering phones to construction. Of course the majority of my friends grew up in Conservative households where they were taught that hard work no matter what the job is something to be proud of. Funny the way that works huh? I guess all those liberal college kids think they are above that because they sit around and read textbooks then go get S***faced drunk.
    No. I did those things when I was young. I'm not going to do it now. There are jobs for teenagers, college students, and adults. I worked in corn fields and cleaned bathrooms as a fast-food employee at that time.

    I'm still paying for my college education so I can get paid to do what makes me happy. I don't make a ton of money; but I make enough to get by and at some points in the year, I work up to 100 hours in a week; so that in the summers I have a lot more free time. I also worked at a video store at night as an adult so I could afford to break into my career field by starting up a not-for-profit organization in the day. And today, the organization I work for has an annual economic impact of over $1 million, which is the equivalent of creating 25 jobs a year.

    It's only in your fantasy that people who disagree with you don't work hard.

    But, what you and many others fail to recognize is that people will only take the jobs that they worked as teens if they're valued properly. They're usually only about $7 - $8 per hour. Thus, most people with a college education won't take those jobs.

    Additionally, if I were hiring, I wouldn't hire someone with a college education to do those things, because as soon as a better job comes along, they're out the door.

    But you can ignore those practicalities and get back to attacking babies.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Nah you got it right. New Yorkistan is no different.
    Oh, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._poverty_rate; poverty rates in New England, where you'd readily admit people are more liberal are much lower than they are in the South.

    Additionally, you'll note that the ten states with the highest poverty rates are all typically red states.

    So, how is it that Republican administrations are good for people's pocketbook? If they were so good, wouldn't there be fewer people in poverty and lower unemployment rates in those states?

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