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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You are hopelessly misled by conservative flim-flam artists who have absolutely no clue what that language means and don't want to know. Children of foreign emissaries or enemy soldiers were excluded. Vicious conservatives intentionally misread these phrases to mean more people, many more people, maybe some members of your family, maybe you. Yes, let's see if we can find a reason to exclude you, alleged citizen!
    Curious. Do you believe that the Constitution is a living, breathing document which needs to be interpreted according to the needs of the day?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You obviously don't get the point. What would happen if a twenty-five year person's mother turned out to be in the country illegally at the time of their birth? All those twenty five years they thought they were a citizen of the only country they have ever known. Would they no longer be a citizen? Would they be in this country illegally? What country would they "belong" to?
    IMO, the 14th amendment should be looked at in historical contect. When you do, the answer is simple, No they should not be granted citizenship. I will say that in this example of yours a process to allow them to apply would be warrented. The parents, not so much.
    The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution

    "The United States did not limit immigration in 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified. Thus there were, by definition, no illegal immigrants and the issue of citizenship for children of those here in violation of the law was nonexistent. Granting of automatic citizenship to children of illegal alien mothers is a recent and totally inadvertent and unforeseen result of the amendment and the Reconstructionist period in which it was ratified. "
    In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

    "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

    This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

    "[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

    The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship. "

    "The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby. "

    Hopefully, when the SC takes on immigration they will correctly rule that the parents native country applies to the offspring.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Curious. Do you believe that the Constitution is a living, breathing document which needs to be interpreted according to the needs of the day?
    Of course it is, it was written by politicans of the time. Does the word "arms" have the same meaning today as it did when the Second Amendment was written? Are we to presume that weapons meant only what was available at the time?

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course it is, it was written by politicans of the time. Does the word "arms" have the same meaning today as it did when the Second Amendment was written? Are we to presume that weapons meant only what was available at the time?
    1) I'm asking Chappy, not you. It was a specific response to his post, not a general question.

    2) I didn't say anything about arms, guns, or the Second Amendment.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    We MUST go back to strict constitutional standards that made this country great!

    Except **** we don't like, let's just delete those parts. FOUNDING FATHERS!
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    How sad is it that conservatives want to change the fourteenth amendment and in the same breath say it already says what they want to change it to? Leave it to the conservatives!


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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    How sad is it that conservatives want to change the fourteenth amendment and in the same breath say it already says what they want to change it to? Leave it to the conservatives!


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    I asked you a question.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058905302

    So, unless your shtick is simply to flamebait and never actually discuss anything, please oblige.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    How sad is it that conservatives want to change the fourteenth amendment and in the same breath say it already says what they want to change it to? Leave it to the conservatives!



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    care to respond to my post 62. It puts the 14th in proper prospective. You seem to ignore information that goes against your opinion.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You like "what ifs" don't you? Unfortunately, because the government isn't doing its job, there is a remote possibility of this happening. I say -- too bad... if you are not legally in the U.S., your children don't get citizenship. You know, there are MANY countries in the world where you do NOT get citizenship simply by being born there...
    Just because other countries do it doesn't mean we should. I see no reason why we should change our laws just because another country does. Do you want to switch to a parliamentary system too?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh...and look at your California economy...who is in control of legislation there? And how is THAT working out? And damn near every other welfare sta...I mean blue state in the country for that matter...
    You clearly have no idea what's going on in this state, or what the roots of our troubles are. Please shut your mouth and educate yourself on the effect that a 2/3 budget requirement and an initiative system run amok has had on our state.
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