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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And how successful was their push to alter the Constitution to ban gay marriage? Didn't happen. Not even close.

    They just told their base that to make them happy.

    This is just what they're doing again. Trust me, it's nothing but a calculated political move.
    While I'm sure that's part of it, I think it's a very good thing. The White House now has **** comin' from allll directions. A constituency that's pi**ed off, individual states that are pi**ed off, and now three senators trying to bring something to the floor for discussion that would change the whole complexion of illegal immigration.

    It's a good thing, IMO. And Crunch's point is well taken. His post is an important one for all to consider.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    Conservatives really aren't too interested in conserving the foundations of this nation, are they? No, not lately.


    Likely, both.
    Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding!! Changing the Amendment IS the proper way to make a change. You just want illegals to continue to stream into the US so they can become Democrat voters. Just admit it why don't you?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Attacking the foundational principle that all people born in the United States of America are full and equal citizens is about as anti-American as it gets in my opinion. I look around and I see a lot of anti-Americans.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Conservatives really aren't too interested in conserving the foundations of this nation, are they? No, not lately.


    Likely, both.
    You're not tired of people who don't live here, don't pay taxes and don't like us abusing our laws for their own personal gain?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Attacking the foundational principle that all people born in the United States of America are full and equal citizens is about as anti-American as it gets in my opinion. I look around and I see a lot of anti-Americans.
    Stop with the drama! I bet you're anti-2nd Amendment and think that the government should shut down Fox News.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    How about not giving tourist visas to women beyond so-many-months pregnant? I can't imagine that would unconstitutional since they're not citizens.

    It doesn't require altering the Constitution to fix the problem of anchor baby tourism.
    A lot of people have five-year, multiple entry visas... Wouldn't work in those cases, and several countries citizens don't even need visas to enter the United States...
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Read my post #10..... read all of it..... read it slowly and think about what I wrote.

    The 14th amendment in no way, shape, or form admits anchor babies.
    Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
    Are you trying to say that foreigners in the United States are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. while they are present on U.S. territory?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Attacking the foundational principle that all people born in the United States of America are full and equal citizens is about as anti-American as it gets in my opinion. I look around and I see a lot of anti-Americans.
    If it were a "foundational principle" then was wasn't this added to the constitution until four score following the its ratification?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If it were a "foundational principle" then was wasn't this added to the constitution until four score following the its ratification?
    I forgive you for being like far too many other hyperbolic conservatives in being so deplorably ignorant of American history. Consider what happened in America some “four score following the [Constitution's] ratification.” Consider why the fourteenth amendment was necessary at all. The enshrinement in our Constitution of the principle that all persons born in this country are full, equal citizens means there is no underclass in America. It wasn't always so. There use to be an underclass; right up until America conducted the most bloody of all its wars. Some conservatives in this country it seems would like to undo some of that history. They are despicable in my eyes.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Attacking the foundational principle that all people born in the United States of America are full and equal citizens is about as anti-American as it gets in my opinion. I look around and I see a lot of anti-Americans.
    taking things out of historical context is also anti-American. Try looking up some history regarding the 14th.

    "In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

    "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

    This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

    "[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

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    Seems there is a case to be made that some have stretched the intent.
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