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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    In a thread discussing a proposal to end birthright citizenship (and Harry Reid's condemnation of it), Harry Reid's proposal l to end birthright citizenship is off topic?

    Keep fighting that war.
    Personal attacks are off-topic. Harry Reid's position on birthright citizenship then and now are certainly topical. He apologized for “the biggest mistake I ever made,” but where's Lindsey Graham's? Where's the conservative movement's apology? Altering the Constitution to stop birthright citizenship not only doesn't address the real immigration issues today but will prevent real resolutions for years to come.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    And, jallman weighs in with another meaningless offering. Who'd of thunk it? This thread about conservatives tearing up the American legacy sure is attracting all kinds of distractions — there must be all kinds of angst that their leadership has gone too far this time. They'd be right.
    So I'll just take that as a "no".

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Personal attacks are off-topic. Harry Reid's position on birthright citizenship then and now are certainly topical. He apologized for “the biggest mistake I ever made,” but where's Lindsey Graham's? Where's the conservative movement's apology? Altering the Constitution to stop birthright citizenship not only doesn't address the real immigration issues today but will prevent real resolutions for years to come.
    Because, Chappy, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, Reid never apologized for wanting to end birthright citizenship.

    And Reid actually introduced legislation to do it. Graham & Co merely proposed looking into the issue. Of course, for you, now it's a problem because OOOOH! REPUBLICANS!

    And I'll say it straight out -- there's nothing inherently American or part and parcel of liberty about automatic birthright citizenship in every single case someone is born within the jurisdiction of the United States. Liberty and justice do just fine without it. You raise a hyperpartisan, rabidly emotional, historically daft strawman.

    It may not be a good idea, it but sure as hell does not tear the fabric of what America means.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review


    Even so distinguished an illegal immigration opponent as Lou Dobbs would not agree with you as to the significance of the fourteenth amendment to American liberty.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    Even so distinguished an illegal immigration opponent as Lou Dobbs would not agree with you as to the significance of the fourteenth amendment to American liberty.
    So you're saying that Lou Dobbs is an authoritative voice on what constitutes American liberty?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    Even so distinguished an illegal immigration opponent as Lou Dobbs would not agree with you as to the significance of the fourteenth amendment to American liberty.
    Do you buy these strawmen wholesale?

    He's says he's against repealing the 14th Amenedment, which NO ONE has suggested.

    And even so -- who the hell gives a crap what Lou Dobbs says? I certainly don't.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    You're seeing strawmen in your sleep. Maybe you should wake up and address Lou Dobbs concerns that merely changing the fourteenth amendment is unacceptable. You know you must be way over the line when even Lou Dobbs doesn't agree with your radical ideas about illegal immigration.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    You're seeing strawmen in your sleep. Maybe you should wake up and address Lou Dobbs concerns that merely changing the fourteenth amendment is unacceptable. You know you must be way over the line when even Lou Dobbs doesn't agree with your radical ideas about illegal immigration.
    Why would I waste my time arguing about Lou Dobbs' thoughts on this issue? I don't give a **** about what Lou Dobbs thinks and neither do you - except for when he agrees with you.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    You're seeing strawmen in your sleep. Maybe you should wake up and address Lou Dobbs concerns that merely changing the fourteenth amendment is unacceptable. You know you must be way over the line when even Lou Dobbs doesn't agree with your radical ideas about illegal immigration.
    Who gives a flying **** about Lou Dobbs? And why are you lying about what he said, anyway? Or, for that matter, what I said?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    You're both right, I don't care what Lou Dobbs says, beyond, of course, that he said something right in my opinion. This monument to over-the-top illegal immigration opposition vociferously opposes stripping birthright citizenship from the Constitution because it “is so important.” That kinda leaves the opponents of birthright citizenship even more over-the-top than Lou Dobbs. You gotta admit it, that's very far out there.

    Those arguing against birthright citizenship haven't offered anything but something Harry Reid did in 1993 and regretted almost immediately afterward. Even his first generation immigrant wife told him what a fool he had been. “[T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.” Pretty thin endorsement there.

    I've offered considered opinions as to the worthiness of this cause and you've offered bupkis. I'm with the Constitution and over a hundred of years of Supreme Court precedent and you're … where exactly?
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