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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    “That is the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment: They essentially wanted to take this very difficult issue — citizenship — outside of the political realm.” — Michael Gerson, a former George W. Bush speechwriter, ibid.
    Had absolutely nothing to do with the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment. What a ridiculous statement. There were absolutely no immigration controls in place when this amendment was authored. "Come One Come All." Its authors could in no way foresee the problem that illegal immigration has become today.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

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    Cooler heads . . . like Harry Reid?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...e-against.html
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    “They've either taken leave of their senses or their principles.” — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

    Likely, both.
    Delicious, delicious irony.

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    I forgive you for being like far too many other hyperbolic conservatives in being so deplorably ignorant of American history. Consider what happened in America some “four score following the [Constitution's] ratification.” Consider why the fourteenth amendment was necessary at all. The enshrinement in our Constitution of the principle that all persons born in this country are full, equal citizens means there is no underclass in America. It wasn't always so. There use to be an underclass; right up until America conducted the most bloody of all its wars.
    Looks like someone's deplorably ignorant of his own party leader's policy proposals.

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    Some conservatives in this country it seems would like to undo some of that history. They are despicable in my eyes.
    Beam, eye.

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    Vicious conservatives intentionally misread these phrases to mean more people, many more people, maybe some members of your family, maybe you.
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    Can you imagine a twenty five year old who has lived their entire life as an American being told that because it was just discovered that their mother wasn't here legally, something they had no knowledge of or certainly any responsibility for, that they themselves are no longer to be treated as a citizen? It's outrageous and bizarre. Addled brained conservatives (not all conservatives, just the really ****ed up ones) endorse such notions.
    Breaking: Harry Reid = addle brained conservative.

    This is never going to get old.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    americans (by a plurality of 24%, in arizona the margin is 40) are coming to re-examine this guarantee of automatic citizenship to kids born here to illegals

    Most Oppose Citizenship for Children of Illegal Immigrants - Rasmussen Reports™

    americans, apparently, are examing birthright citizenship thru lenses made in 2010, not 1868

    sue em!

    make em pee in a cup

    send mr rauf to their homes to convince em

    washington knows best

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Delicious, delicious irony.



    Looks like someone's deplorably ignorant of his own party leader's policy proposals.



    Beam, eye.



    VICIOUS!



    Breaking: Harry Reid = addle brained conservative.

    This is never going to get old.
    Yes, indeed, this is never going to get old.

    “I don't want this to be true confessions, but I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago …

    “A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. …

    “… [T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.”


    — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speech to the Senate, 2006¹
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Yes, indeed, this is never going to get old.

    “I don't want this to be true confessions, but I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago …

    “A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. …

    “… [T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.”


    — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speech to the Senate, 2006¹
    Yeah, we all know he made an apology of sorts. But he apologized for wanting to close the border, not about birthright citizenship. Your very selective quotes in their proper context:

    A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. My little wife is 5 feet tall. We have been together for soon to be 50 years. As I said here on the floor a few days ago, her father was born in Russia. He was run out of Russia. His name was Goldfarb, his family. They were Jewish. My wife heard that I had done this. She does not interfere with my legislation. Only when I ask her does she get involved in what I am doing. I didn't ask her about this. She, in effect, said: I can't believe that you have done it. But I had done it.

    To compound this, I held a meeting a day or two after being confronted by my wife, a meeting in Las Vegas. It was a townhall meeting to explain this travesty that I called legislation. My friend, Judge John Mendoza, was there, somebody who, when I lost my Senate race in 1974 by 524 votes, spent all night with me consoling me, but he was in that audience. Larry Luna, Larry Mason, Isabelle Pfeiffer, people I had not talked to about this, in addition to my wife, pointed out the errors of my way. I have done everything since that meeting in Las Vegas, in conversation with my wife, to undo my embarrassment.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Your added context changes nothing. I know it spoils this great narrative that conservatives were delighting in but the reality is that Senator Reid apologized for his error, “the biggest mistake I ever made,” years ago.

    It's time for Senator Lindsey Graham to apologize, too.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Yes, indeed, this is never going to get old.

    “I don't want this to be true confessions, but I want to relate to the Senate that the biggest mistake I ever made, the largest error I ever made was 15 or 18 years ago …

    “A group of people came and talked to us and convinced us that the thing to do would be to close the borders between Mexico and the United States; in effect, stop people from coming across our borders to the United States. This period of time for which I am so apologetic-to my family, mostly-lasted about a week or two. I introduced legislation. …

    “… [T]hat is a low point of my legislative career, the low point of my governmental career.”


    — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speech to the Senate, 2006¹
    So if the republicans turn around tomorrow and say that they changed their minds, they'll stop being disgusting, vicious, addle-brained conservatives and become brave american patriots like Harry Reid? Or do you reserve that label for media matters-approved politicians?
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    This shouldn't be a Republican/Democrat issue. It should be an American issue. Illegals, particularly those with citizen babies, are costing states billions upon billions in welfare, medical care, education, lost jobs and lost taxes.

    I can't think of another nation that doesn't require at least one parent to be a citizen in order for their children to be a citizen, and I don't think that a clause ensuring that the children of slaves would be citizens was ever meant to be abused in this extensive manner. It's time to change.

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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So if the republicans turn around tomorrow and say that they changed their minds, they'll stop being disgusting, vicious, addle-brained conservatives and become brave american patriots like Harry Reid? Or do you reserve that label for media matters-approved politicians?
    This has nothing to do with Republicans or the Republican party (R.I.P.). It has to do with far too many conservatives who have earned those labels through their idiotic pronouncements, rampant bigotry and bald faced deceits. Honestly, haven't you been paying attention at all to the last thirty years in this country? This attack on the fourteenth amendment is just their latest salvo in their reactionary aggression against America.
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    Re: GOP leader McConnell: Fourteenth Amendment is in need of review

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    This has nothing to do with Republicans or the Republican party (R.I.P.). It has to do with far too many conservatives who have earned those labels through their idiotic pronouncements, rampant bigotry and bald faced deceits. Honestly, haven't you been paying attention at all to the last thirty years in this country? This attack on the fourteenth amendment is just their latest salvo in their reactionary aggression against America.
    It's like Harry Reid never happened.
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