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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    These are not the radical views, they are the only views accepted within mainstream Islam today.
    And they are expressed most fervently in the countries of Islamic theocracy. Many of the Muslims in America don't express those beliefs.

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    The guy responsible for this mosque wants a sharia compliant U.S..
    Well as I said before, that guy can wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first. He can wish all he wants for Sharia law in the US, but he's just SOL on that one. Any attempt to institute it should be seen as unconstitutional as the practical aspect of the law is violation of the rights and liberties of the individual.

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    There's simply not enough people following the ideology for it to have much of an effect. Just because American Nazi's didn't have any negative effects on America doesn't mean that their ideology was positive.
    Alright, fair enough. Nothing said it was positive. I do think that all religion has the potential for positive or negative effects depending on how the people of the State use the religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I'm not aware of any poll for America but the polls I've seen from overseas demonstrate that the majority of Muslims in the west want Sharia.
    And some may, but that's just too bad for them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And they are expressed most fervently in the countries of Islamic theocracy. Many of the Muslims in America don't express those beliefs.
    Which says absolutely nothing about the ideology itself. And why would they follow a religion which they don't believe in? It's like a pro-gay marriage pro-choice Catholic.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Which says absolutely nothing about the ideology itself. And why would they follow a religion which they don't believe in? It's like a pro-gay marriage pro-choice Catholic.
    I'm not disputing that. My point was that in the proper environment any religion can lose its adherence to these violent and unjust tenants.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not disputing that. My point was that in the proper environment any religion can lose its adherence to these violent and unjust tenants.
    Islam CANNOT. Its theologically impossible to change the Koran (though it could be argued its possible to add and subtract hadith from the 'good' and 'bad' pile). Islam is a fixed state religion, irrevocably frozen in its form. Change it and its no longer Islam - and since Islam is perfect and literally true then why would Muslims want to change it?

    Show me wrong

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Yes I most certainly due because in that case the church she was attending directly contributed to her apocalyptic delusions, she had postpartum depression and the church she was going to threw fuel on the fire.
    There is no proof that the church "added fuel to the fire".

    She was psychologically ill. The church didn't make her that way.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Islam is not at war. That idea is ridiculous.
    Of course, you and others think its ridiculous....but hear me out

    Islam has fought the west since its inception. The only reason they were quiet for awhile was because they were so overmatched militarily that they couldn't do much. Modern explosives, etc. have given them a means that they did not previously possess.

    To ignore that fact is to do so at our peril. The search for truth and therefore the reason the Taliban exists, is not something you can eliminate. Thats why, I suggest our target is Islam and the validity of that belief system. Anything less will leave us with a false sense of security. Islam itself breeds the mindset you see in the likes of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. We cannot afford to ignore that.

    There is sufficient support for their view in the Koran, etc., that we may kill off every member of the Taliban and Al Quaeda, and there will be a new group in the next generation that will espouse a similar belief and continue the war against us simply because we exist and the only way we will be at peace with Islam is if we are dead or Muslim ourselves. And if we convert, we'll only be at peace with our sect as Sunni and Shia are perfectly happy killing each other as well.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Change it and its no longer Islam - and since Islam is perfect and literally true then why would Muslims want to change it?

    Show me wrong
    You don't change Islam. You re interpret it.
    All the Qu'ran is a interpretation by people that makes it relevant for the time they are living. New fatwa's and rulings come about for the same reason.
    The Qu'ran is perfect, no one is changing the physical text. It's meaning however is endless.

    If this is how Americans react to just a Mosque near the site. I dread how they will react to Eid this year.


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If this is how Americans react to just a Mosque near the site. I dread how they will react to Eid this year.
    Probably the same way we react to it every year...we mostly ignore it. Except sometimes I wish youknowho a happy Eid. That's about it.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If this is how Americans react to just a Mosque near the site. I dread how they will react to Eid this year.


    Selfish indifference or sheer blissful ignorance I would imagine. We simply don't care.
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