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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, then a bit in excess of 500 posts in this thread deserve to be mocked, then, don't ya think?
    What do you think I've been doing here?

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And ignoring the threat got us what last time around? I am sure that the families of those killed in the WTC would love hearing you dismiss their deaths so casually.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And ignoring the threat got us what last time around? I am sure that the families of those killed in the WTC would love hearing you dismiss their deaths so casually.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    What I wanna know is this?

    If there are SOOOOO many terrorists out there, and they're all conspiring to attack us every single day of the week.

    Then where the **** are they? Surely if the situation was SOOOO Dire, and there were SOOOOO Many of them, we'd be getting attacked at least once every few months?

    I mean, they're not all coming through the airports...

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think most rational people understood that Ikari was suggesting that he'd use his 2nd amendment rights to protect his 1st amendment right FROM GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.

    But don't let me get in the way of the "muslims are evil" support group meeting.
    Actually, I think most rational people would be quick to recognize that Ikari has not spent even a nanosecond researching Islamist politics, nor the terrorism it spawns.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What do you think I've been doing here?
    besides the muddying of the waters?
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Actually, I think most rational people would be quick to recognize that Ikari has not spent even a nanosecond researching Islamist politics, nor the terrorism it spawns.
    I think it's a question of what you're willing to sacrifice for safety. Ikari and others, including me, are unwilling to sacrifice essential liberties for the illusion of safety. Not only is disallowing the mosque unconstitutional, it would represent an unacceptable government intrusion into personal property rights and religious expression. That's completely unacceptable.

    I recognize that some of these folks mean us harm. Nonetheless, that's the risk we take to live in a free and open society where government doesn't get to designate which beliefs are unacceptable and interfere in private property based upon the ideology of the group.

    I don't, for a minute, believe that Ikari is some kind of uninformed Islamic apologist. DO YOU?

    He's a constitutional apologist. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, no matter how many times you attempt to muddy the water with ridiculous fallacies and ad hominems.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 08-11-10 at 01:09 PM.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    besides the muddying of the waters?
    It's muddying the water to attempt to represent the view that civil liberties trump individual biases and fears? Wow. How confusing this thread must be for you.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think what most would like to hear from ya is silence. We got it, we understand. You believe Islam is horrible and shouldn't be permitted and blah blah blah. Written down, got it right here. I don't care how bad you think Islam is, it's not worth giving up freedom for your bias and opinions. You can tell us the sky is falling in every post. How the big bad terrorists are going to come get us, how evil Islam is or whatever the hell else you want. But it doesn't matter because in the end I will not abdicate freedom and liberty for your fear mongering. That's all there is to it. Life is hard, and it ain't secure, and death can come from a multitude of angles every single day. Yet I still get up and get out of bed and face it. And that's just the way of the world. But I'll be damned if some lot fearing some terrorist foe comes to restrict our freedoms and liberties because they are having a hard time getting out of bed in the morning to face the world.
    Ask several hundred Muslims if they consider themselves Muslims or US citizens first?....Muslims before US citizens. Then ask them where they get their guidance.

    Get back to me

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Ask several hundred Muslims if they consider themselves Muslims or US citizens first?....Muslims before US citizens. Then ask them where they get their guidance.

    Get back to me
    So? It's completely irrelevant. Our constitution should not be altered because you're scared of the bogeyman.

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