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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    My guns defend them. So if you're looking to throw away liberty and freedom for some "safety" because you wet your bed every night at the thought of terrorism; we're gonna have a problem. I'll take the terrorists over Big Brother type folk any day of the week.
    Well, at least you've put it right out there that you support terrorists over those who oppose them too strenuously.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're right, its our founding document which is the basis for which our governments is run. It is a document that universally applies to our government and our country and you don't get to pick and choose when you want to use it and when you don't want to use it, not if you want to be taken seriously during either point. Simply saying "its not a suicide pact!" doesn't change the fact that you're pushing for unconstitutional things.



    Which is the same kind of pathetic argument used by people wishing to take the right to bear arms away.



    Yes, they can.

    By amending the constitution.

    If you manage to do that to exempt Islam from the 1st amendment, then so be it. Until that point, you don't just get to "deem" the constitution invalid because you think it should be.

    Zyph, I think you are spot on with what you are saying here, the only rub I have is that those who would argue the non ability to pick and choose which part of the constitution can, or can not be used and defend the mosque project, are largely the same ones who turn their heads when Obama throws contract law out the window.

    The only thing I am saying is that the group behind this mosque are making a political statement with this building, not a religious one, and their reasons need to be explored as to why they want it there.

    Why isn't the Imam more visible on the talk circuit making his case to those who oppose it?


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think what most would like to hear from ya is silence. .
    So, now you wish to silence those with whom you disagree.

    Which ones are acting like big brother, and which aren't now?
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Why isn't it?

    You were so scared after 9/11 you allowed the patriot act...

    Many conservatives talk about the tyranny of government, imagine if you did lose control and the patriot act were turned on you?

    "Those who sacrifice liberty for safety shall have niether".
    This is the danger of relying on government for everything. I remember when someone used to say they're conservative and it meant they understood the necessity of rugged individualism, they knew they had to rely on themselves, they knew that big government was bad government. They don't know that anymore. "Conservative" isn't the small, constrained, reasonable government platform anymore. If you look at all those calling themselves conservative and the expansion of government they call for, especially against our rights and liberties you begin to wonder "what the hell happened to the party of Reagan?". Gone. Like those Olestra chips. Now all we hear is about terrorist this and terrorist that and why it has to be used to excuse more and more war, bigger and bigger government, deeper and deeper debt, etc. Conservatives....hardly anything conservative left in them. The Republocrats are all the same now.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    So, now you wish to silence those with whom you disagree.

    Which ones are acting like big brother, and which aren't now?
    Nope. Not those who disagree with me. Those who are being incredibly annoying with the Chicken Little ****. And also read that sentence and tell me if it says I would like to hear silence from him. HAHAHAH, reading comprehension FTW!
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Seems to me that there are three typical positions here


    1 -- I have researched the group involved, and do not think they should be allowed to build.

    2 - -I haven't taken any time to research the group involved, and think they should be allowed build.

    3 -- I have taken the time to research the group involved, do not support them, but support their right to build.

    Those in group #2 are routinely ridiculing all other viewpoints, and seem incapable of distinguishing between group 1 and group 3. What I would ask them is whether they have taken any time whatsoever attempting to understand what the building represents to those building it, whether they have looked into their politics, or the funding of it? Have they made any attempt to understand much of anything at all, or are they just reacting?
    You've forgotten the 4th group:

    4) I haven't researched, I don't really understand the constitution, and I'm having a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that these people are Muslims. As a result, my fear of muslims is so great that I'm willing to rip apart constitutional protections in order to feel "safe."

    Such people deserve to be mocked, thoroughly. As do categories 1 and 2.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, at least you've put it right out there that you support terrorists over those who oppose them too strenuously.

    "Yes, ma'am, please put me in the cage with the saber toothed tiger because the tom cat on the corner is too loud"
    Oh no, people can oppose terrorists in a rational and competent manner. Fair enough. It's when it becomes irrational and incompetent that I start to have disagreements. Anything else you wanna try to throw out there. You know, work on your smarmy a little bit? Cause you ain't good at it, but maybe if you keep it up it'll turn around for you.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, at least you've put it right out there that you support terrorists over those who oppose them too strenuously.

    "Yes, ma'am, please put me in the cage with the saber toothed tiger because the tom cat on the corner is too loud"
    I think most rational people understood that Ikari was suggesting that he'd use his 2nd amendment rights to protect his 1st amendment right FROM GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.

    But don't let me get in the way of the "muslims are evil" support group meeting.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is the danger of relying on government for everything. I remember when someone used to say they're conservative and it meant they understood the necessity of rugged individualism, they knew they had to rely on themselves, they knew that big government was bad government. They don't know that anymore. "Conservative" isn't the small, constrained, reasonable government platform anymore. If you look at all those calling themselves conservative and the expansion of government they call for, especially against our rights and liberties you begin to wonder "what the hell happened to the party of Reagan?". Gone. Like those Olestra chips. Now all we hear is about terrorist this and terrorist that and why it has to be used to excuse more and more war, bigger and bigger government, deeper and deeper debt, etc. Conservatives....hardly anything conservative left in them. The Republocrats are all the same now.

    And ignoring the threat got us what last time around? I am sure that the families of those killed in the WTC would love hearing you dismiss their deaths so casually.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You've forgotten the 4th group:

    4) I haven't researched, I don't really understand the constitution, and I'm having a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that these people are Muslims. As a result, my fear of muslims is so great that I'm willing to rip apart constitutional protections in order to feel "safe."

    Such people deserve to be mocked, thoroughly. As do categories 1 and 2.
    Well, then a bit in excess of 500 posts in this thread deserve to be mocked, then, don't ya think?
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