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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So all of their quotes and facts are made up. Thats your position?
    No. My position is that Agent Ferris frequently distorts and misrepresents actual occurrances. And, sure enough, that's what he did in this thread. Additionally, people like you and AF look for news outlets that support your paradigms and may play fast/loose with the facts. Remember Shirley Sherrod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Damn, it's times like this that I am glad you are ripping on him instead of ripping on me. LOL.
    I used to think of Zyphlin as a remarkably level-headed poster. Not sure if he's having an off week or if I was simply mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I used to think of Zyphlin as a remarkably level-headed poster. Not sure if he's having an off week or if I was simply mistaken.
    He gets pissed off by short-sighted fascists who want to trample on the bill of rights because of their own irrational phobias.

    I have to admit, so do I.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    No. My position is that Agent Ferris frequently distorts and misrepresents actual occurrances. And, sure enough, that's what he did in this thread. Additionally, people like you and AF look for news outlets that support your paradigms and may play fast/loose with the facts. Remember Shirley Sherrod?
    So its your claim that there are no parisan newsources on your side? Please tell me you are kidding.

    BTW, Shilery was fired by the Obama adminstration. You do remember they aren't republicans right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I used to think of Zyphlin as a remarkably level-headed poster. Not sure if he's having an off week or if I was simply mistaken.
    It quite noticeable yes.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So its your claim that there are no parisan newsources on your side? Please tell me you are kidding.

    BTW, Shilery was fired by the Obama adminstration. You do remember they aren't republicans right?
    Unlike you, I don't have a side. And, I take the words of news outlets, particularly those with an obvious spin, with a grain of salt.

    As far as what happened with Ms. Sherrod, imagine the calamity that would have occurred if the Obama administration hadn't quickly fired her. It's a shame that the reports that totally screwed up her life weren't fact-checked before being put out as "news."
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Seriously, I'll be the first to admit and acknowledge and apologize or own up to instances where my hypocrisy is legitimately displayed and someone can show it as such. However when people go for backassward attempts that are obviously bogus in attempts to smear me and do so in such a juvenile and amateurish way its delightfully fun to show them how pathetic their attempt was and how easy it is to poke holes in their dishonest arguments.

    J-mac is sending mixed messages, saying he has no problems with legally allowing people to build...and then saying it'd be different with regards to near 9/11. I simply want to know what his actual stance is in regards to whether or not the government should be holding it up or prohibiting it.

    I thank him for the post to moderate muslims and they for the most part are mirroring my sentiments towards the thing. That said I do find it ironic he's siting the words of the very people he wants essentially barred from the U.S. by making Islam Illegal.

    Yep, it's a riddle....I'll try and be as clear as I can here so that from this point on there should be NO ambiguity about where I stand.

    On the Mosque site, I think that is is a direct affront to those victims families, and everyone in America to not only build a shrine there, but to name it as they originally wanted to, Cordoba House. Those who know their history will immediately see why.

    Do I have a distrust of Muslims? Yes, I don't think it is possible to have witnessed the past 10 years, and further, and not. Call it bias, call it what ever you want. it is what it is.

    Do I want to "outlaw" Islam in America? No. I don't think that would do any good, and would only feed into increased isolationism.

    Do I think that Islam is a force to be taken at face value when moderates speak? No. It is a proven fact that dishonesty in the furtherance of this cause to convert all the world is a tenant of the religion.

    I think we must be awfully careful in how we approach this conflict of Islam v. Western Culture, it is dangerous, and will thrive of pitting us against each other. If the majority of Muslims are a peaceful group wishing only to worship as they will, and denounce terror around the world vocally and unhesitatingly then more power to them, but we shouldn't have to prompt that from them if they are truly for peace.


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He gets pissed off by short-sighted fascists who want to trample on the bill of rights because of their own irrational phobias.

    I have to admit, so do I.
    I hadn't pegged him as the type who got "pissed off" - I guess I just haven't been reading the "more excitable" threads.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    I say this again. Why do many conservatives support the government telling someone what they can do on private property and restricting religous freedom? If you hate Islam then why act like many Islamic nations who oppose and make it illegal for any other faith to build a church/temple/anything that isn't a mosque? It's the same oppressive ideology. You don't have to believe that the placement of the mosque is a good thing, you can protest it and hate Islam all you want. But you don't have the right to deny them their Constitutional right just as much as they have no right to deny you yours. It's hypocrisy of epic proportions. So the government should grow so big that they are allowed to break the Constitution and restrict religious freedom just as long as it isn't your religion/ideology?
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I hadn't pegged him as the type who got "pissed off" - I guess I just haven't been reading the "more excitable" threads.
    I can see how frustrating it can be to deal with people online who don't get American Civics at the most basic level, and want to use the law to enforce their prejudices. It's hard to imagine that people are actually that short-sighted and stupid, and that they don't see what the longterm ramifications of allowing government to pick and choose treatment of religious entities would be.

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