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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1st amendment?!!! 1st amendment?!!! What in the world makes you think that radical Islam gives two wits about what our Bill of Rights says, other than to use dupes in this country to use them against us?


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    This is your argument. Oh boy, everyone in America has to follow the Bill of Rights, doesn't matter what they believe. If they break the law they will be punished, no need to ban a religion.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, should communism be illegal, also? How about anarchism? White supremism? Racism? Homophobia?
    Not necessarily, but they should have to be honest about what they are, and what they intend, and not have some willing dupes in this country aid them in their conquest.


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

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    This is your argument. Oh boy, everyone in America has to follow the Bill of Rights, doesn't matter what they believe. If they break the law they will be punished, no need to ban a religion.

    In the mean time, how many must die needlessly for your supposed moral stance? How many will you sacrifice in the name of Islam?


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not necessarily, but they should have to be honest about what they are, and what they intend, and not have some willing dupes in this country aid them in their conquest.


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    Is failing to fully disclose information a crime?

    Why would they need us when they have people like you ready and willing to dismantle our constitutional freedoms and make victims and martyrs out of them?


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Is failing to fully disclose information a crime?
    Actually, ..... Yes, yes I think it is.....


    Why would they need us when they have people like you ready and willing to dismantle our constitutional freedoms and make victims and martyrs out of them?

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Regardless of how liberals would use it as such to the joy of radical Islam.


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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In the mean time, how many must die needlessly for your supposed moral stance? How many will you sacrifice in the name of Islam?


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    I could care less about Islam, what I won't do is piss on the constitution out of irrational fear. Most muslims born in America don't hold the same beliefs as the radical muslims in the middle east, in fact most muslims around the world don't hold those views. This is also a huge disrespect to the muslims living in America, your acting like muslims in America were celebrating on 9/11, when in fact they were shocked, and heart broken like the rest of the country. Though they had the added disadvantaged of being discriminated against after the attacks by the irrational fear, and racism that you are displaying.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If you read the Bible, there are constant admonitions about stoning people, beating your wife, beating your children, cutting off noses and heads, etc. We still allow Christians to live here, in spite of their rather horrifying views.
    Why don't you try reading the New Testament and then judge Christianity?

    Christians are monolithic in that there are common beliefs that are shared by all Christian faiths. Those beliefs encompass the nature of God, Jesus Christ and salvation. There are non-core beliefs and practices that are not contained in the Bible and don't conflict with the core. They are seen by like minded individuals (which form a denomination) as the way they want to conduct a worship service, or dress, or drink or not drink. Those differences don't make one right and another wrong.

    If however the practice involves something like killing an unbeliever, stoning a woman to death for sitting in a car with a man who is not her husband or relative, etc., then EVERY other Christian denomination is going to stand up and say that ISN'T in the Bible and it ISN'T Christian.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, should communism be illegal, also? How about anarchism? White supremism? Racism? Homophobia?
    The basic tenets of Muslim faith require them to convert the world to Islam. They can't keep the religion without it. Communism had a similar belief, but they never had the deep commitment that Islam has. Islam has been around for almost 1400 years. It won't ****ing die off on it's own. The only really relevant question is whether we will do something about it while we still have options. The longer we wait to defeat it, the more our options narrow. Islam has always chosen violence when they have the disparity in strength to make it work. If they can't conquer a people, they immigrate, infiltrate and then work at taking it over from within. And once they are in, only violence will root them out.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The basic tenets of Muslim faith require them to convert the world to Islam. They can't keep the religion without it. Communism had a similar belief, but they never had the deep commitment that Islam has. Islam has been around for almost 1400 years. It won't ****ing die off on it's own. The only really relevant question is whether we will do something about it while we still have options. The longer we wait to defeat it, the more our options narrow. Islam has always chosen violence when they have the disparity in strength to make it work. If they can't conquer a people, they immigrate, infiltrate and then work at taking it over from within. And once they are in, only violence will root them out.
    Actually these are the basic tenants of islam.

    Bearing witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah
    Observance of Prayer
    Paying Zakat
    Fasting during Ramadhan
    Pilgrimage to the house of Allah.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I could care less about Islam, what I won't do is piss on the constitution out of irrational fear.

    Oh yeah....Bring it on Star....I love this, let's see how many stereotypes of liberalism we can discern in one post, shall we?

    You obviously do care about Islam, and offending our enemies, because like any good liberal you think we were responsible for the deaths on 9/11, not 19 Saudi funded, radical Islamists waging war on the United States, and the Western world in the name of Caliphate.


    Most muslims born in America don't hold the same beliefs as the radical muslims in the middle east, in fact most muslims around the world don't hold those views.

    Really? and you base this on their obvious and conspicuous silence? Islam was founded by a murderous, rapist that calls for the view of those not converting to his ideology of hate to be killed. It condones violence, and deception. Nice religion.


    This is also a huge disrespect to the muslims living in America
    Oh, I am sooooo sorry....I couldn't care less. They are enemies of the US.

    your acting like muslims in America were celebrating on 9/11, when in fact they were shocked, and heart broken like the rest of the country.


    The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

    Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

    "They were like happy, you know They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

    [T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

    Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

    "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)

    9-11 Attacks: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11

    Yeah.....How'd you put it? Oh yeah.....Not so much......

    Though they had the added disadvantaged of being discriminated against after the attacks by the irrational fear, and racism that you are displaying.

    Irrational fear? Discrimination? As far as I know CAIR is still allowed here in America isn't it? Even though they are an un-indicted co conspirator of the Muslim Brotherhood. Detroit blasts calls to prayer 5 times a day do they not? No one in mass has rose up with violence en mass against American Muslims have they?

    Congradulations, you have hit at least 5 of the liberal mantras, skewed, and wrong as they may be. A true cliche.


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