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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Look. I think its time this topic was put to rest, as ive said 1000 times before, this is not about Islam vs. Christianity, or anything else except these 2 things.

    Freedom of Religion
    Private property rights

    If you want to amend these 2 things to include an Anti-Islam clause, then by all means go ahead.

    But as a matter of law, there is nothing you can do to stop it.
    I read somewhere that defense of the first amendment only matters when what you're defending utterly appalls you. I would tend to agree with that thought. In general, I am not a fan of Islam, or any other fundamentalist variant of religion. I consider these beliefs detrimental to our country. HOWEVER, having said that...

    Our civil liberties are too important to allow my personal biases to form my opinion on this subject. People have the right to speech that I disapprove of.

    This is actually the first step towards censorship of people on the basis of their beliefs and/or criminalizing thought crimes. THAT is anti-American.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Look. I think its time this topic was put to rest, as ive said 1000 times before, this is not about Islam vs. Christianity, or anything else except these 2 things.

    Freedom of Religion
    Private property rights

    If you want to amend these 2 things to include an Anti-Islam clause, then by all means go ahead.

    But as a matter of law, there is nothing you can do to stop it.

    Matthew 13:[24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
    [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.[26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
    [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
    [28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
    [29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
    [30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
    It doesn't matter really if the mosque is there or not, if they are wrong it will be sorted out at some point.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If you feel that I am a liberal, it's likely only because your conservativism is so extreme that I appear liberal in comparison. But, I am in no way a liberal.
    Then you don't know what extremely conservative is. The only person on this site that I truly believe is moderate/centrist is donsutherland. Mostly I don't believe in those words though.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Look. I think its time this topic was put to rest, as ive said 1000 times before, this is not about Islam vs. Christianity, or anything else except these 2 things.

    Freedom of Religion
    Private property rights

    If you want to amend these 2 things to include an Anti-Islam clause, then by all means go ahead.

    But as a matter of law, there is nothing you can do to stop it.
    Freedom of Religion has certain restrictions when the religious practices come into conflict with the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Freedom of Religion has certain restrictions when the religious practices come into conflict with the law.
    And how does this mosque comes into conflict with the law?
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    If it were in my power, I'd deport every Muslim in Europe and the Americas. Either back to their country of origin or to their Islamic nation of choice. And I would prohibit citizenship or permanent residency to any Muslim. I would still trade with them, but I'd keep them in their own lands.
    By the way, even were you to modify the First Amendment to somehow permit such a ham-fisted approach, this is a classic example of a bill of attainder. No court in the nation would let such an action by the government stand.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Look. I think its time this topic was put to rest, as ive said 1000 times before, this is not about Islam vs. Christianity, or anything else except these 2 things.

    Freedom of Religion
    Private property rights

    If you want to amend these 2 things to include an Anti-Islam clause, then by all means go ahead.

    But as a matter of law, there is nothing you can do to stop it.

    This is amazing to me for a couple of reasons. First off, this struggle with radical Islam may not be a "religious war" to us, but I can assure you to those who started this, it is to them.

    Second, you speak of our freedoms, and property rights, well, these things come with responsibility. The responsibility to not offend a majority of people by erecting a monument to Islamic victory on 9/11.

    this isn't about amending our constitution, it is however, about respect for those innocent lives taken in a hideous act of violence in the name of Allah on 9/11, and the utter insult of erecting a monument to the murders of those 3000.

    Using our own laws against us is exactly what is called for in Jihad.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    this isn't about amending our constitution, it is however, about respect for those innocent lives taken in a hideous act of violence in the name of Allah on 9/11, and the utter insult of erecting a monument to the murders of those 3000.
    If they were talking about erecting statues of or hanging portraits of the 9/11 bombers, I could see your point. I could also see the place burning down just as they were cutting the ribbon.

    This is like saying that building a church a few blocks away from a bombed-out women's health clinic is building a monument to those murdered in the blast. Complete and utter crap.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Yeah! Those bastards want to destroy our way of life and the freedom we represent, so to stick it to them we should buck our way of life and destroy the freedoms we represent! Yeah! That'll show'em!

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