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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I wasn't aware freedom of religion and private property rights was pro-Islamist. Have you lost your mind?
    You aren't defending this mans properties you are defending this man, huge ****ing difference. I on the other recognize the mans property rights while admitting that he is an Islamist POS, something which you seem incapable of doing.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Massive problems with conservatives:
    1) The belief that Islam = Terrorist
    2) The belief that saying anything at all sympathetic to Palestinians or Islam = Support of Terrorism

    I could say "Man, a palestinian child was killed in a rocket strike by Israel. Collateral damage can be so tragic."

    WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM, DEUCE? YOU DAMN LIBERALS!
    If you refuse to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization then you are not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination but rather an Islamist.

    People who defend this man which himself supports Sharia, can in no way be termed liberal, but of course ideological consistency has never been a necessity for the modern left.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And by "emigrated," you mean "conquered parts of,"
    No, I mean the definition of the word in question...

    Nice troll attempt though.

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    Does seem a little puzzling. Don't think there is any question that they have the legal right to build the mosque on that site.

    But with all that we continue to read about how the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving. And all the statements we hear about the Muslim community decrying their outrage about the 9/11 attack by extremist Islamic fundamentalists......


    .....Shouldn't we expect some compassionate voices coming out from the US Muslim leadership acknowledging that the proposed location of the mosque is a questionable/inflammatory decision??

    The structure could be built anywhere. Am wondering why the broader Muslim community is not engaged in suggesting/supporting a less provocative location.....



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    I think if they are compassionate towards us or not is a non-issue. btw did any of you know there is a strip club closer to the site of ground zero than this mosque will be?
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Regretfully though, I have to say that our founders never contemplated the problem of Islamic expansion. Immigration by Muslims to Europe was unheard of.
    There have been demographic shifts all over the world, and yes many Muslims did emigrate to Europe before the Revolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    It is my position that Islam is incompatible with Western values.
    Some interpretations of it are, but to the vast majority of Muslims it is.

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    If we are both to survive, then there must be separation. If it were in my power, I'd deport every Muslim in Europe and the Americas. Either back to their country of origin or to their Islamic nation of choice. And I would prohibit citizenship or permanent residency to any Muslim. I would still trade with them, but I'd keep them in their own lands. If their culture ever experiences a renaissance and they grow out of their intolerance, then isolation might no longer be necessary. Until that time however, I consider them to be a threat to our very existence.
    Yeah, that's so exemplary of the values you came to uphold. The Muslims aren't taking over ric, less than 1 in 200 Americans are Muslim, and the notion that anymore than a handful are terrorists is based on nothing less than paranoia. You've shown zero evidence that most Muslims are Jihadists besides a few out of context quotes that most Muslims will tell you they interpret differently. Your geopolitical views are based on childish paranoia and bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post

    Lucky for us, you are in no position to act on your flawed beliefs. You are the opposite of what America stands for. In fact, your reasoning is in direct opposition of the US Constitution. The only one who has shown intolerance here is you. The only threat to our existence is you. Xenophobia is not very becoming.
    The key is that the foundation of this country has religious freedom are, the Judeo Christian values represented in our founding documents. The reason we have freedom and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM here that allows everyone, including the Godless to live here.

    I'm not a hardcore Christian, but the religious cultural foundations of this country are unmistakable. Like it or not, the basis on how 90+ percent of the US conducts their lives has some basis in some form of faith, and mostly from the Christian traditions. Denying the Judeo-Christian tradition is folly.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The key is that the foundation of this country has religious freedom are, the Judeo Christian values represented in our founding documents. The reason we have freedom and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM here that allows everyone, including the Godless to live here.

    I'm not a hardcore Christian, but the religious cultural foundations of this country are unmistakable. Like it or not, the basis on how 90+ percent of the US conducts their lives has some basis in some form of faith, and mostly from the Christian traditions. Denying the Judeo-Christian tradition is folly.
    Do I need to go find some George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson quotes (again) to show you how horribly wrong you are? I don't recall you actually responding to the fact that Jefferson and Franklin specifically were agnostic and atheist. Also your signature is ridiculous. The koran, bible, and torrah all use the old testament (or parts of) and from there they split off into their own books made specifically for the religion. I always get a crack out of people talking about religion when they don't know anything about it themselves.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Also your signature is ridiculous. The koran, bible, and torrah all use the old testament (or parts of) and from there they split off into their own books made specifically for the religion. I always get a crack out of people talking about religion when they don't know anything about it themselves.
    The New Testament does not support forced conversions and fails to offer any Old Testament justification.

    This is an essential difference between Judaism and Christianity, and Islam. A Jew or a Christian can get all uppity and say he's doing it for God. But there is no scriptural basis for doing it and the argument has always failed when confronted with the source documents. Not so for Islam.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The key is that the foundation of this country has religious freedom are, the Judeo Christian values represented in our founding documents. The reason we have freedom and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM here that allows everyone, including the Godless to live here.

    I'm not a hardcore Christian, but the religious cultural foundations of this country are unmistakable. Like it or not, the basis on how 90+ percent of the US conducts their lives has some basis in some form of faith, and mostly from the Christian traditions. Denying the Judeo-Christian tradition is folly.
    In his autobiography, Jefferson recounted with satisfaction that in the struggle to pass his landmark Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom (1786), the Virginia legislature "rejected by a great majority" an effort to limit the bill's scope "in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan." George Washington suggested a way for Muslims to "obtain proper relief" from a proposed Virginia bill, laying taxes to support Christian worship. On another occasion, the first president declared that he would welcome "Mohometans" to Mount Vernon if they were "good workmen" (see page 96). Officials in Massachusetts were equally insistent that their influential Constitution of 1780 afforded "the most ample liberty of conscience … to Deists, Mahometans, Jews and Christians," a point that Chief Justice Theophilus Parsons resoundingly affirmed in 1810.

    Toward Islam itself the Founding generation held differing views. An evangelical Baptist spokesman denounced "Mahomet" as a "hateful" figure who, unlike the meek and gentle Jesus, spread his religion at the point of a sword. A Presbyterian preacher in rural South Carolina dusted off Grotius' 17th century reproach that the "religion of Mahomet originated in arms, breathes nothing but arms, is propagated by arms." Other, more influential observers had a different view of Muslims. In 1783, the president of Yale College, Ezra Stiles, cited a study showing that "Mohammadan" morals were "far superior to the Christian." Another New Englander believed that the "moral principles that were inculcated by their teachers had a happy tendency to render them good members of society." The reference here, as other commentators made clear, was to Islam's belief, which it shared with Christianity, in a "future state of rewards and punishments," a system of celestial carrots and sticks which the Founding generation considered necessary to guarantee good social conduct.
    Nice try though.

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