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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    This thread is like a monkey humping a football now--a whole lot of effort but ain't gettin' anything done.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no, maam, it's your imagery

    it's gross

    but a person's gotta do what a person's gotta do

    express YOURSELF!
    I'm rather surprised that you don't save your disgruntlement for attempts to undermine the first amendment.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    This thread is like a monkey humping a football now--a whole lot of effort but ain't gettin' anything done.
    worst of all worlds

    all pain, no gain

    this mosque aint never gonna be built

    just like ksm, just like cap and trade, just like arizona, just like health care

    leadership will never get what they tried for, yet they'll pay just as bad as if they had

    better?

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem, Vic, is that there are a ton of Christians in the U.S. who would like to mandate old testament law as the law of the land, too. They would like their religious beliefs to supercede everything else. That's not so different from wanting Sharia Law, when you think abou tit.

    eligious persecution."
    --William Butler Yeats

    I defend the rights of these people to worship according to the dictates of their conscience because, by doing so, I defend my own. And for that matter, yours.

    I may thing that religion is wholy stupid (I do), but I would defend the rights of any man to worship as he sees fit.

    That's WHY I will defend these people.

    And, by doing so, I am defending exactly what it means to be American.

    See, I have faith, but not in religions. I have faith in our founding documents and the core principles of this country that have made us the the place on this earth where men are most free. My faith in who and what we are is so strong that whether these people mean us well or ill, I believe that America itself will eventually supercede it and turn it to good. By being true to ourselves, by being true to our founding documents, and not allowing our every decision to be tainted by fear, we show what America really is.

    I would encourage you to have faith, as well, in America...in what it means to be American.
    The founding fathers were men of character and much of that character was due to their foundation as believers in Christ. They believed that the success of this nation was dependant on divine providence.

    I think that given the choice between a Christian society vs. one with no moral or ethical structure vs. one based on any other religion, ...I'll have to give a nod to the Christian society

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The founding fathers were men of character and much of that character was due to their foundation as believers in Christ. They believed that the success of this nation was dependant on divine providence.

    I think that given the choice between a Christian society vs. one with no moral or ethical structure vs. one based on any other religion, ...I'll have to give a nod to the Christian society
    This is a strawman argument. But, thanks for playing. The founding fathers never intended for Christian churches to receive preferential treatment under the law, or for Muslims, Jews, or Hindus, not to mention any other religion, to be discriminated against by government agencies.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is a strawman argument. But, thanks for playing. The founding fathers never intended for Christian churches to receive preferential treatment under the law, or for Muslims, Jews, or Hindus, not to mention any other religion, to be discriminated against by government agencies.
    Only a few fanatics call for Churches to get "preferential treatment" today, so you dear... fail.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Only a few fanatics call for Churches to get "preferential treatment" today, so you dear... fail.
    Are you even paying attention? Did you read Ric's post that I was responding to?

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is a strawman argument. But, thanks for playing. The founding fathers never intended for Christian churches to receive preferential treatment under the law, or for Muslims, Jews, or Hindus, not to mention any other religion, to be discriminated against by government agencies.
    I think you are too close to the forest to see the trees. First off, the Bible is history, prophecy, poetry, the law, etc. Taken all together, it imparts moral principles and guidance. With that in mind, take a look at the writings of the founding fathers, including the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and see if it conflicts with the Biblical values or does it incorporate them?

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you even paying attention? Did you read Ric's post that I was responding to?
    I was responding to your comment implying that Churches get "preferential treatment" as some sort of Federally mandated affair. I was scoffing at you dear. SCOFFING.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The founding fathers were men of character and much of that character was due to their foundation as believers in Christ. They believed that the success of this nation was dependant on divine providence.

    I think that given the choice between a Christian society vs. one with no moral or ethical structure vs. one based on any other religion, ...I'll have to give a nod to the Christian society
    How did the founding fathers view Muslims?
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