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Ground zero mosque wins key vote

Ok sorry to break up the poo-flinging for a second guys, but does anyone else think half these guys are just kidding around and aren't serious? I mean, I assume the ultra-mega-cons here talking about the muslim terror are in their 40s,50s etc....someone that old truly cannot be that ignorant and it would have to be an act....I refuse to believe otherwise.
 
Ok sorry to break up the poo-flinging for a second guys, but does anyone else think half these guys are just kidding around and aren't serious? I mean, I assume the ultra-mega-cons here talking about the muslim terror are in their 40s,50s etc....someone that old truly cannot be that ignorant and it would have to be an act....I refuse to believe otherwise.


That Old? Bite me Kid! :mrgreen: What the hell are you talking about? We have seen this thing unfold while you were obviously getting your diaper soiled. :shock: Stick around, you may learn something.


j-mac
 
Ok sorry to break up the poo-flinging for a second guys, but does anyone else think half these guys are just kidding around and aren't serious? I mean, I assume the ultra-mega-cons here talking about the muslim terror are in their 40s,50s etc....someone that old truly cannot be that ignorant and it would have to be an act....I refuse to believe otherwise.

Again....let me ask you this

How many arrests can be directly attributed to simple good patriotism by "Muslim Americans"? Who is the public voice of "Muslim Americans" and what has been their line from the start? Have they condemnd the teachings of the madrasas that are indoctrinating the next generation? Are they, as a group, calling for the overhaul of what we all know to be the seedbed of this problem?

Another thing....I didn't hear Pentacostals, Christians, Protestants, etc, etc saying, "We won't rest until the White House is ****ing destroyed." I believe they are Muslim males, age 17-50, from a known target country.
 
Again....let me ask you this

How many arrests can be directly attributed to simple good patriotism by "Muslim Americans"? Who is the public voice of "Muslim Americans" and what has been their line from the start? Have they condemnd the teachings of the madrasas that are indoctrinating the next generation? Are they, as a group, calling for the overhaul of what we all know to be the seedbed of this problem?

Another thing....I didn't hear Pentacostals, Christians, Protestants, etc, etc saying, "We won't rest until the White House is ****ing destroyed." I believe they are Muslim males, age 17-50, from a known target country.

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I grow tiresome of your fearmongering.
 
Ultimately, there's nothing we can do to FORCE or MAKE Islam become more modernized and more moderated...but we can help by not ostracizing those that are seeking to do that and dealing with the religion realistically and addressing the culture and societal issues that allow people to USE the religion for ill purposes...as Christianity was USED to murder "witches" and "heritics" and destroy scientific evidence before...rather than simply focusing all the hatred on the "wrongness" of the religion in and of itself.

Again, the US Constitution is not nor was it ever intended to be a suicide pact. The founders could in no way have contemplated the needs of today nor the depth of this evil. They couldn't even begin to fathom the death of 3k at the hands of 19 in half a day.

Just remember - Laws are written by men, men can change them.
 
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Again, the US Constitution is not nor was it ever intended to be a suicide pact. The founders could in no way have contemplated the needs of today nor the depth of this evil. They couldn't even begin to fathom the death of 3k at the hands of 19 in half a day.
I always get a good chuckle when I see a conservative argue for a "living" Constitution. Any port in a storm, I guess.
 
Again....let me ask you this

How many arrests can be directly attributed to simple good patriotism by "Muslim Americans"? Who is the public voice of "Muslim Americans" and what has been their line from the start? Have they condemnd the teachings of the madrasas that are indoctrinating the next generation? Are they, as a group, calling for the overhaul of what we all know to be the seedbed of this problem?

Another thing....I didn't hear Pentacostals, Christians, Protestants, etc, etc saying, "We won't rest until the White House is ****ing destroyed." I believe they are Muslim males, age 17-50, from a known target country.

When did all Muslims have this hive mind that you speak of? Replace Muslim with White and you get Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakahn. Replace Muslim with Black, Hispanic, Asian, Arab and you get Pat Buchanan, Frosty Wooldridge, David Duke, and Don Black. Why should a person a particular group apologize for an act committed by someone of the same said group if said people dont know each other. This is typically collectivist thinking.

Hmmm....

The NYPD lost, I believe 23 cops. Who will protect, the mosque from angry protests and possible vandalism?

Like any citizen protection of your property begins with yourself.

What about the Ironworkers who cleared the rubble of the WTC? What will, the muslims do if everyone refuses to participate in building this place?

Considering the unemployment right now, someone will do the job.
 
I always get a good chuckle when I see a conservative argue for a "living" Constitution. Any port in a storm, I guess.

They've always thought it was rather malleable. That's why they're big fans of extending the rights of gays to marry.
 
I have a deal for you "conservatives" out there who wanna subvert the constitution.

If you break private property laws and the constitution to stop the mosque from being built...

Will you let the gays marry?

A fair trade I think...
 
Again, the US Constitution is not nor was it ever intended to be a suicide pact. The founders could in no way have contemplated the needs of today nor the depth of this evil. They couldn't even begin to fathom the death of 3k at the hands of 19 in half a day.

Just remember - Laws are written by men, men can change them.

My guns defend them. So if you're looking to throw away liberty and freedom for some "safety" because you wet your bed every night at the thought of terrorism; we're gonna have a problem. I'll take the terrorists over Big Brother type folk any day of the week.
 
Seems to me that there are three typical positions here


1 -- I have researched the group involved, and do not think they should be allowed to build.

2 - -I haven't taken any time to research the group involved, and think they should be allowed build.

3 -- I have taken the time to research the group involved, do not support them, but support their right to build.

Those in group #2 are routinely ridiculing all other viewpoints, and seem incapable of distinguishing between group 1 and group 3. What I would ask them is whether they have taken any time whatsoever attempting to understand what the building represents to those building it, whether they have looked into their politics, or the funding of it? Have they made any attempt to understand much of anything at all, or are they just reacting?
 
I have a deal for you "conservatives" out there who wanna subvert the constitution.

If you break private property laws and the constitution to stop the mosque from being built...

Will you let the gays marry?

A fair trade I think...


I couldn't care less if Gay's marry...It's just going to make the greedy divorce lawyers richer.


j-mac
 
I grow tiresome of your fearmongering.

Why? Is this what you and others would like to hear from me...

Islam is all peaceful and tolerant and its not evil like those Christians that kill everybody and are all haters like the NAZI Pope. So we'll finally be free of the nasty right-wing Christians that have forced God into everyone's life, right? And then we can have gay marriage for everyone and get rid of our soldiers and bombs because that Iranian dude said say so.... he's a good dude

Ya know, Lets just accept Islam's terms now so everyne can get back to their self-deluding opium dreams until its time to get beheadedfor being a whore, a poofter, an infidel, whatever the ****
 
My guns defend them. So if you're looking to throw away liberty and freedom for some "safety" because you wet your bed every night at the thought of terrorism; we're gonna have a problem. I'll take the terrorists over Big Brother type folk any day of the week.
Damn skippy! Homeland defense begins at home.

As it stands now, the government is a far greater threat to our liberty than any terrorists ever were, thanks to people who supposedly had a hard-on for "small government" rushing to Washington to throw away their rights as fast as they could.
 
Again, the US Constitution is not nor was it ever intended to be a suicide pact.

You're right, its our founding document which is the basis for which our governments is run. It is a document that universally applies to our government and our country and you don't get to pick and choose when you want to use it and when you don't want to use it, not if you want to be taken seriously during either point. Simply saying "its not a suicide pact!" doesn't change the fact that you're pushing for unconstitutional things.

The founders could in no way have contemplated the needs of today nor the depth of this evil. They couldn't even begin to fathom the death of 3k at the hands of 19 in half a day.

Which is the same kind of pathetic argument used by people wishing to take the right to bear arms away.

Just remember - Laws are written by men, men can change them.

Yes, they can.

By amending the constitution.

If you manage to do that to exempt Islam from the 1st amendment, then so be it. Until that point, you don't just get to "deem" the constitution invalid because you think it should be.
 
Damn skippy! Homeland defense begins at home.

As it stands now, the government is a far greater threat to our liberty than any terrorists ever were, thanks to people who supposedly had a hard-on for "small government" rushing to Washington to throw away their rights as fast as they could.


Oh that is just Bull. And a mischaracterization of what is being discussed.

j-mac
 
Oh that is just Bull. And a mischaracterization of what is being discussed.

j-mac

Why isn't it?

You were so scared after 9/11 you allowed the patriot act...

Many conservatives talk about the tyranny of government, imagine if you did lose control and the patriot act were turned on you?

"Those who sacrifice liberty for safety shall have niether".
 
Why isn't it?

You were so scared after 9/11 you allowed the patriot act...

Many conservatives talk about the tyranny of government, imagine if you did lose control and the patriot act were turned on you?

"Those who sacrifice liberty for safety shall have niether".

Even in the age of the Douche Bag in Cheif they still dont get.
 
Why? Is this what you and others would like to hear from me...

Islam is all peaceful and tolerant and its not evil like those Christians that kill everybody and are all haters like the NAZI Pope. So we'll finally be free of the nasty right-wing Christians that have forced God into everyone's life, right? And then we can have gay marriage for everyone and get rid of our soldiers and bombs because that Iranian dude said say so.... he's a good dude

Ya know, Lets just accept Islam's terms now so everyne can get back to their self-deluding opium dreams until its time to get beheadedfor being a whore, a poofter, an infidel, whatever the ****

I think what most would like to hear from ya is silence. We got it, we understand. You believe Islam is horrible and shouldn't be permitted and blah blah blah. Written down, got it right here. I don't care how bad you think Islam is, it's not worth giving up freedom for your bias and opinions. You can tell us the sky is falling in every post. How the big bad terrorists are going to come get us, how evil Islam is or whatever the hell else you want. But it doesn't matter because in the end I will not abdicate freedom and liberty for your fear mongering. That's all there is to it. Life is hard, and it ain't secure, and death can come from a multitude of angles every single day. Yet I still get up and get out of bed and face it. And that's just the way of the world. But I'll be damned if some lot fearing some terrorist foe comes to restrict our freedoms and liberties because they are having a hard time getting out of bed in the morning to face the world.
 
My guns defend them. So if you're looking to throw away liberty and freedom for some "safety" because you wet your bed every night at the thought of terrorism; we're gonna have a problem. I'll take the terrorists over Big Brother type folk any day of the week.

Well, at least you've put it right out there that you support terrorists over those who oppose them too strenuously.

"Yes, ma'am, please put me in the cage with the saber toothed tiger because the tom cat on the corner is too loud"
 
You're right, its our founding document which is the basis for which our governments is run. It is a document that universally applies to our government and our country and you don't get to pick and choose when you want to use it and when you don't want to use it, not if you want to be taken seriously during either point. Simply saying "its not a suicide pact!" doesn't change the fact that you're pushing for unconstitutional things.



Which is the same kind of pathetic argument used by people wishing to take the right to bear arms away.



Yes, they can.

By amending the constitution.

If you manage to do that to exempt Islam from the 1st amendment, then so be it. Until that point, you don't just get to "deem" the constitution invalid because you think it should be.


Zyph, I think you are spot on with what you are saying here, the only rub I have is that those who would argue the non ability to pick and choose which part of the constitution can, or can not be used and defend the mosque project, are largely the same ones who turn their heads when Obama throws contract law out the window.

The only thing I am saying is that the group behind this mosque are making a political statement with this building, not a religious one, and their reasons need to be explored as to why they want it there.

Why isn't the Imam more visible on the talk circuit making his case to those who oppose it?


j-mac
 
I think what most would like to hear from ya is silence. .

So, now you wish to silence those with whom you disagree.

Which ones are acting like big brother, and which aren't now?
 
Why isn't it?

You were so scared after 9/11 you allowed the patriot act...

Many conservatives talk about the tyranny of government, imagine if you did lose control and the patriot act were turned on you?

"Those who sacrifice liberty for safety shall have niether".

This is the danger of relying on government for everything. I remember when someone used to say they're conservative and it meant they understood the necessity of rugged individualism, they knew they had to rely on themselves, they knew that big government was bad government. They don't know that anymore. "Conservative" isn't the small, constrained, reasonable government platform anymore. If you look at all those calling themselves conservative and the expansion of government they call for, especially against our rights and liberties you begin to wonder "what the hell happened to the party of Reagan?". Gone. Like those Olestra chips. Now all we hear is about terrorist this and terrorist that and why it has to be used to excuse more and more war, bigger and bigger government, deeper and deeper debt, etc. Conservatives....hardly anything conservative left in them. The Republocrats are all the same now.
 
So, now you wish to silence those with whom you disagree.

Which ones are acting like big brother, and which aren't now?

Nope. Not those who disagree with me. Those who are being incredibly annoying with the Chicken Little ****. And also read that sentence and tell me if it says I would like to hear silence from him. HAHAHAH, reading comprehension FTW!
 
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