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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    hey, we're gonna improve relations around here

    and if you don't like it, you can just lump it

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, I'm sorry that you feel this way, Catz, but we have to agree to disagree. I think you're making a mistake by viewing all of Islam as the equivalent of Christian extremists. Islam is no different than Christianity, there are conservatives and there are liberals, there are people who live peacefully and there are people who try to force their views on others. It's the same with every religion, but the people who take it too far aren't the religion itself. I'd argue that you might have issues with certain elements within Islam, but not Islam itself.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. some of you need to clean up your language, you're gross

    2. if cordoba really wants to promote better relations it probably shouldn't go around so openly provoking the overwhelming majority of its neighbors

    3. this mosque will never be built---if it could be up in a day, that'd be done, but it will take months, even years, to build this, and the outcry will get louder, the political heat will grow unendurable

    4. no mosque, yet still a big political price to pay for not opposing it, for appearing to sympathize with it, in open defiance of the heartfelt sentiments of the larger community

    party on, progressives!
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    1. some of you need to clean up your language, you're gross

    2. if cordoba really wants to promote better relations it probably shouldn't go around so openly provoking the overwhelming majority of its neighbors

    3. this mosque will never be built---if it could be up in a day, that'd be done, but it will take months, even years, to build this, and the outcry will get louder, the political heat will grow unendurable

    4. no mosque, yet still a big political price to pay for not opposing it, for appearing to sympathize with it, in open defiance of the heartfelt sentiments of the larger community

    party on, progressives!
    It's a free ****ing country! Why the **** should I try to stop some ****ty ass people trying to build a dumbass mosque near ground zero? I don't ****ing care, no skin off my teeth. Let the assholes do what they want and ****ing ignore the mother****ers. What the **** is so hard about that ****? Seriously.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, considering that race is a myth with absolutely no scientific foundation, it might be fair to say that we're not really talking about a "racial" group here. And even if we are to subscribe to such an outmoded theory as race, it is certainly true that Islam is comprised of many "races" so to be anti-Islamic does not necessarily make one "racist."

    But on the other hand, it is all basically the same thing and it is disingenuous to deny that fact. Bigotry is bigotry whether it is a "racist" or "Anti-Islamic" or "the Tea Party" or whatever you feel like calling it that day. It's all evil and abhorrent and the worst parts of human nature. It's fear of the other, plain and simple.
    You sir, are the one that called some of us Racist. I asked you to show us some examples of this. You have yet to do this and in fact have created this rather odd sidestep of the issue to try and say there is "Bigotry" really, fear.

    So show us this Bigotry, this fear, this... evil as you call it.

    I've read your other posts, it appears that anyone that dares to disagree with your stance is a Bigot, a Racist, ignorant and or evil. That doesn't really lend credibility to you OR your position. It appears you are so convinced your politically correct cheerleading of this Mosque gives you some moral right to attack, insult and denigrate anyone that is against it. No matter the reasoned posts as to why, evidence (such as this Imam's support for Hamas, calls for Sharia to be the law of the land, blaming the USA for 911...) or other information. You have cast all whom do not support this Mosque as inbred knuckledragging Klanners prone to violence and full of ignorance, hate and sheer stupidity.

    The really sad part here is, that you really DO think you are right, and HAVE the right to be such a condescending... poster.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem, Vic, is that there are a ton of Christians in the U.S. who would like to mandate old testament law as the law of the land, too.
    I quit reading right there. YOU have no clue what you are talking about. Quit watching Bill Mahar.

    No CHRISTIAN would want to bring back "old testament law" as Christians follow the NEW TESTAMENT, which... replace pretty much everything in the OLD Testament. Cept the Ten Commandments.

    You have a very misguided, and flawed view of Christians, and your "ton of Christians" quantifier says it all.

    I love ya Catz, but you are REALLY off base here.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I quit reading right there. YOU have no clue what you are talking about. Quit watching Bill Mahar.

    No CHRISTIAN would want to bring back "old testament law" as Christians follow the NEW TESTAMENT, which... replace pretty much everything in the OLD Testament. Cept the Ten Commandments.

    You have a very misguided, and flawed view of Christians, and your "ton of Christians" quantifier says it all.

    I love ya Catz, but you are REALLY off base here.
    Bro, I grew up fundamentalist southern baptist. You should investigate the reconstructionist and dominionist movements.

    Christian Reconstructionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While many Christians believe that biblical law is a guide to morality and public ethics, when interpreted in faith, Reconstructionism is unique in advocating that civil law should be derived from and limited by biblical law. For example, they support the recriminalization of acts of abortion and homosexuality, but also oppose confiscatory taxation, conscription, and most aspects of the welfare state. Protection of property and life needs grounding in biblical law, according to Reconstructionism, or the state set free from the restraint of God's law will take what it wishes at a whim. Accordingly, Reconstructionists advocate biblically derived measures of restitution, a definite limit upon the powers of taxation, and a gold standard or equivalent fixed unit for currency.

    Christian Reconstructionists describe their view of public ethics by the term, "Theonomy" (the Law of God governs); while their critics tend to label them "Theocratic" (God governs). The notable differences are that "theocracy" is usually thought of as totalitarian and involving no distinction between church and state, while Reconstructionists claim that "theonomy" is broadly libertarian and maintains a distinction of sphere of authority between family, church, and state.[2] For example, enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is done by family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses is outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). However, in some areas the application of theonomy could increase the authority of the civil government; prominent advocates of Christian Reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of idolatry[3][4][5], active homosexuals[6], adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, and blasphemers[7], and perhaps even recalcitrant youths[8] (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).
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    I will freely acknowledge that my view on the numbers is probably different from your own because I live in a hotbed of Christian reconstructionism (the South).

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a free ****ing country! Why the **** should I try to stop some ****ty ass people trying to build a dumbass mosque near ground zero? I don't ****ing care, no skin off my teeth. Let the assholes do what they want and ****ing ignore the mother****ers. What the **** is so hard about that ****? Seriously.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Apparently, using the term asshole causes you to type in complete sentences. I for one will keep it up.
    whatever floats your filthy boat

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    meanwhile, if cordoba is REALLY sincere about its goal of improving relations, it doesn't seem to be working very well
    Last edited by The Prof; 08-05-10 at 01:26 PM.

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