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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    the goal, according to cordoba itself, is "improving muslim-west relations"

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    it doesn't seem to be working

    if imam faisel really wants to promote "understanding and healing, peace, collaboration and interdependence," then maybe he shouldn't be so dismissive of the overwhelming sentiment of his neighbors

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then 58% of New Yorkers will remained pissed seeing as there is nothing the government can rightfully and legally do to stop it
    fine by me (if not completely true)

    so leadership can just live with the consequences

    You're doing a great job highlighting the innate dangers of pure democracy though.
    ok, it is what it is

    it's how obama got elected

    we all just gotta live with these things, i guess

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Mayor Bloomberg: "With or without landmark designation, there is nothing in the law that would prevent the owners from opening a mosque within the existing building. The simple fact is this building is private property, and the owners have a right to use the building as a house of worship. The government has no right whatsoever to deny that right – and if it were tried, the courts would almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. Constitution.”
    Why do you hate the constitution, Prof?

    Also, isn't Bloomberg a bit of a conservative???

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    I suppose I should be used to it, but the level of racism on display by opponents of the mosque continues to astound me. Are people really advocating that peaceful and law abiding Muslims (read: the vast majority of all Muslims, all people for that matter, are peaceful and law abiding) should just give up their legal rights because it may offend some people? Since when is offending ignorant bigots even worth consideration? As I recall, there were a lot of people who were "offended" when they desegregated public schools, and that is precisely the side of the argument that the people who oppose this mosque are falling on right now. I mean, this is just naked racism we're talking about! What on earth is wrong with you people?!

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    ask FIFTY EIGHT percent in new york

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Bloomberg's full remarks can be found here:

    NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Ground Zero Mosque Vote - WSJ.com

    ...We may not always agree with every one of our neighbors. That's life and it's part of living in such a diverse and dense city. But we also recognize that part of being a New Yorker is living with your neighbors in mutual respect and tolerance. It was exactly that spirit of openness and acceptance that was attacked on 9/11.


    "On that day, 3,000 people were killed because some murderous fanatics didn't want us to enjoy the freedom to profess our own faiths, to speak our own minds, to follow our own dreams and to live our own lives.

    ...The government has no right whatsoever to deny that right – and if it were tried, the courts would almost certainly strike it down as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Whatever you may think of the proposed mosque and community center, lost in the heat of the debate has been a basic question – should government attempt to deny private citizens the right to build a house of worship on private property based on their particular religion? That may happen in other countries, but we should never allow it to happen here. This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions, or favor one over another.

    "The World Trade Center Site will forever hold a special place in our City, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves – and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans – if we said 'no' to a mosque in Lower Manhattan.

    "Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values – and play into our enemies' hands – if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists – and we should not stand for that. "

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    58% can't hear

    keep trying

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    58% can't hear

    keep trying
    Well, it's like Ikari said, that's the peril of pure democracy. Thank God we live in a Republic.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ok, it is what it is

    it's how obama got elected

    we all just gotta live with these things, i guess
    Even the Presidency isn't a strict popular vote. It's an electoral vote. It is possible to win Presidency through electoral votes and not capture the majority of the popular vote.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    58% can't hear

    keep trying
    Their opinion means crap. Get a better argument, or just stop.
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