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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    Okay, Catz, My point against this Mosque is that it's being pushed for.. the Glory of Islam over the Enemy, (That'd be us for those of you that don't get it) and this Imam who is trying to build it, has shown he has a desire to push Sharia (a barbaric, and cruel system of religious control that violates basic human rights) Law in America.
    So what? Do these things overrule the right of individuals to dispose of their property as they see fit? Do you want government interference in religious thought, dictating who can build where, based upon what they believe?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So which is right? The belief this Mosque is a Peace Beacon? Or an Emblem of Islamic Greatness.
    I don't believe either of these things. I believe that government shouldn't interfere in religious practice. As long as the building is legal according to the same standards used for other religious buildings, it should be allowed. I do not believe governments should be involved in religious discrimination.

    I love ya Catz, I do, but you're on the wrong side here.
    No, dude. It's about the rule of law and remaing true to our core values of government non-interference in religion.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 08-04-10 at 04:12 PM.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Christianity has nothing to do with this. The fail is all yours
    Gee, Rev, I thought we were supposedly a Judeo-Christian nation with tolerance for all faiths.

    Our values, our national character... is all that supposed to be Judeo-Christian in nature?

    If you want to comment intelligently, feel free.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Gee, Rev, I thought we were supposedly a Judeo-Christian nation with tolerance for all faiths.

    Our values, our national character... is all that supposed to be Judeo-Christian in nature?
    Strawman. Fail.





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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And your ignorance is the problem.

    Forgiveness doesn't mean letting people **** on you. And that's what this Mosque is. Forgiveness doesn't do much when the purpose of the act, the Mosque, is to put up a giant Monument to the greatness of Islam at the site of it's greatest attack.

    That's what this is gang, think whatever you want otherwise, this Mosque isn't about peace and understanding, it's about triumph and glory.

    THEY KNOW that America is full of people that are soooo scared to offend Islam, that they MOCK YOU with acts like this. Until Islam as a whole undergoes a trans-formative movement (like Christianity did), you cannot trust Islam as a whole.

    ARE THERE GOOD DECENT HONEST PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS? YOU BET YOUR ASS there are. And how many of them would think building this mosque, on this site was anything less then a provocative act? Hmm?

    That's the point here folks. Some of you are so caught up in this IGNORANT "We must embrace Islam and think only GOOD or we're bigoted haters" mentality that you miss what's right before you! You miss the truth!

    If they wanted to build an... Islamic Outreach Center near the WTC site, that's cool. But a MOSQUE has meaning, and most of you just think it's "church", that shows how little you understand what's really going on here.
    You serve your maters Sean and Glenn so well.

    They really should promote you.

    The fear, Vicchio, is coming from you and the fringe-right.

    I don't fear muslims or islam or the peaceful practice of any faith.

    I am concerned, however, about the tone of intolerance and hate in your response.

    I'm sure your heros at Fox have presented you with all kinds of evidence as to why this is a dangerous thing, but have you taken a moment to peel back the layers and see for yourself if there is anything there, any intention or any real evidence. Or are Sean and Glenn just filling your head with more ginned up bull?

    What's amazing to me, is how people conveniently ignore the violent laws and traditions in the Bible and history of violent acts by Christian extremists. The Grand Inquisitor makes the 9/11 terrorists look like a bunch of pikers. Any religious belief or dogma can be bent and twisted into a justification for violence. I know you're smart enough to understand that, and I believe this is really all about punditry and posturing on your part.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So what? Do these things overrule the right of individuals to dispose of their property as they see fit? Do you want government interference in religious thought, dictating who can build where, based upon what they believe?
    ask 58% in new york

    it's a loser

    in other words, go for it

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Strawman. Fail.






    I wouldn't want to have you feeling left out.
    I was further clarifying my point.

    If you want to specifically show out how that's a 'strawman'... please feel free.

    I beginning to think my first post went right over your head. Perhaps you should re-read, paraphrase, think about it a while, then respond with a question if you don't understand something.

    But just crying 'fail, fail' because you don't get it, is kind of childish.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ask 58% in new york

    it's a loser

    in other words, go for it
    So, you would undermine core principles of our country, like the right to private property and the protection of religious expression to get votes?

    I hope you never attain any power here.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I was further clarifying my point.

    If you want to specifically show out how that's a 'strawman'... please feel free.

    I beginning to think my first post went right over your head. Perhaps you should re-read, paraphrase, think about it a while, then respond with a question if you don't understand something.

    But just crying 'fail, fail' because you don't get it, is kind of childish.


    I'm on my iphone so i'll embarass you more later. But its not just christians who think this imam and this "mosque" are being assholes......


    Go google.
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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'm on my iphone so i'll embarass you more later. But its not just christians who think this imam and this "mosque" are being assholes......


    Go google.
    One thing I love about the U.S. is that it's not illegal to be an asshole. So, that's largely irrelevant.

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    Re: Ground zero mosque wins key vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    One thing I love about the U.S. is that it's not illegal to be an asshole. So, that's largely irrelevant.



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