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Ground zero mosque wins key vote

JohnWOlin said:
I dunno that is a thin line you tread, really a lot of scientist can and have argued that the conditions and what was described in the bible correlate with the time that is actually supposed to be happening but that is neither here nor there. You almost validate him by bringing in the science of a religious book into the conversation when it ultimately is supposed to be about if these guys can build their little Y center or not.
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Militant Atheist get under my skin, I shouldn't have responded. :(

Also, to Jet, I too heard they wanted to break ground on 09/11/11 on both TV and the Radio at some point.
 
MrVicchio said:
Militant Atheist get under my skin, I shouldn't have responded. :(

Also, to Jet, I too heard they wanted to break ground on 09/11/11 on both TV and the Radio at some point.
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The should do it the next day and call it the 9/12 project.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
The should do it the next day and call it the 9/12 project.
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Naw someone already does that I think. Can't remember there name that started it up. Whoever it is though would have to be the most unAmerican whore for cash the U.S. has ever seen, and should be ashamed of his or herselves.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I hate to break up this party.

But the last time you claimed something like this, which was that the ground breaking ceremony was gonna be on 9/11 2011. That turned out to be false.
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A) You are a liar it was never proven false, I have provided numerous sources for that assertion.

B) I provided the exact quotes from the radio interview and from the 60 minutes transcript in the former he refuses to concede that Hamas is a terrorist organization and and in the latter he blames the U.S. for bringing 9-11 on himself and says OBL was made in America. I have provided the evidence and have personally heard the audio, any denials at this point really go to prove that you are not a defender of the rights of Islamists but a defender of Islamism.

You seem to have very little interest in the truth Ferris. You wanna stop this no matter what. How do I know this claim about what he said is false too?
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I already posted the ****ing evidence.

Here it is again:

Bradley: Are you in any way suggesting that we in the United States deserved what happened?

Faisal: I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but united states policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

Bradley: You say that we're an accessory? How?

Faisal: Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

Prominent American Muslims denounce terror committed in the name of Islam
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According to the State Department's assessment, "Hamas terrorists, especially those in the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have conducted many attacks, including large-scale suicide bombings, against Israeli civilian and military targets."

Asked if he agreed with the State Department's assessment, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf told WABC radio, "Look, I'm not a politician.

"The issue of terrorism is a very complex question," he told interviewer Aaron Klein.

"There was an attempt in the '90s to have the UN define what terrorism is and say who was a terrorist. There was no ability to get agreement on that."

Asked again for his opinion on Hamas, an exasperated Rauf wouldn't budge.

"I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy," Rauf said, insisting that he wants to see peace in Israel between Jews and Arabs.

Rauf also would not answer a question about Egypt's outlawed Muslim Brotherhood.

"I have nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood. My father was never a member of the Muslim Brotherhood," he said, disputing a rumor.


Muslim Imam leading push to build a mosque near Ground Zero wavers on questions about Hamas as a terror group - NYPOST.com
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Game, set, match, thanks for playing now go on about defending not just the right to build the shrine to oppression but the shrine to oppression itself. Islamist apologists sicken me to no end.
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Agent Ferris said:
A) You are a liar it was never proven false, I have provided numerous sources for that assertion.
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Your so called "sources" were opinion articles. If you want to skim the basement i put all the posts in order and debunked this claim. No mainstream source or authority supports this claim.

B) I provided the exact quotes from the radio interview and from the 60 minutes transcript in the former he refuses to concede that Hamas is a terrorist organization and and in the latter he blames the U.S. for bringing 9-11 on himself and says OBL was made in America. I have provided the evidence and have personally heard the audio, any denials at this point really go to prove that you are not a defender of the rights of Islamists but a defender of Islamism.
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I will study this source (not the NYPOST one, that is a TABLOID) if it turns out to be legitimate I'll have an opinion. Provide facts and I will respond positively to you, provide bull**** and I won't ferris.

Game, set, match, thanks for playing now go on about defending not just the right to build the shrine to oppression but the shrine to oppression itself. Islamist apologists sicken me to no end.
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I may not agree with Islam, or any religion for that matter... But this isn't about agreeing with it or not. It's about private property rights and freedom of religion. And i don't get to subvert those rights when it's suits me.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
It has nothing to do with whether or not I like the bible; historic fact contradicts the "history" of the bible. The only people that actually believe that the bible is historic fact are the same people that are willing to believe the bible over science. Which leads me to my next point, and that is that to believe in any sort of prophecy, biblical or otherwise, is delusional. There is no such thing as prophecy.

And by the way, I think the bible is a wonderful work of literature. I just tend to believe in science/history/common sense instead of taking what was written in a book as truth.
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Meh the bible and the koran even fail on literary grounds though very influential in the same way Mein Kampf was influential but a failed collection of random rambeling thoughts scribbled together, put between two flaps and called a book. I read the Bible, Koran, and Mein Kampf for the same reasons IE morbid curiousity. An exercise in mental masochism as it were.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I will study this source (not the NYPOST one, that is a TABLOID) if it turns out to be legitimate I'll have an opinion. Provide facts and I will respond positively to you, provide bull**** and I won't ferris.
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It provides the exact quote, it comes from a radio interview, your continued denial in the face of direct quotes proves that you are an Islamist apologist and that no amount of evidence will be enough because you infact support Islamists giving the proverbial **** you to the U.S. and not just their right to do it. Don't you have a honor killing to minimalize somewhere?
 
Agent Ferris said:
It provides the exact quote, it comes from a radio interview, your continued denial in the face of direct quotes proves that you are an Islamist apologist and that no amount of evidence will be enough because you infact support Islamists giving the proverbial **** you to the U.S. and not just their right to do it. Don't you have a honor killing to minimalize somewhere?
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So you don't want to actually discuss the issue at hand. Which is private property rights and freedom of religion?

There's a place to hate on Islam. Its called Stormfront you hack.

I'm not a big fan of Islam. But that's not what this is about.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you don't want to actually discuss the issue at hand. Which is private property rights and freedom of religion?
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No THAT'S YOU! I provide a direct quote and you want to resort to an ad-hominem attack on the source.

There's a place to hate on Islam. Its called Stormfront you hack.
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No that's where they hack on Jews just like the Islamists hack on Jews, the Nazi's and the Islamists are allies not enemies. Get it right. Now I understand you are a supporter of wife beating, death penalities for sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, and apostasy, I on the other hand am socially evolved and liberal, it is you sir that belongs on stormfront.

I'm not a big fan of Islam.
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Sure you aren't. You not only defend the rights of Islamists, you defend the groups themselves and their belief structures.
 
Agent Ferris said:
No THAT'S YOU! I provide a direct quote and you want to resort to an ad-hominem attack on the source.



No that's where they hack on Jews just like the Islamists hack on Jews, the Nazi's and the Islamists are allies not enemies. Get it right. Now I understand you are a supporter of wife beating, death penalities for sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, and apostasy, I on the other hand am socially evolved and liberal, it is you sir that belongs on stormfront.



Sure you aren't. You not only defend the rights of Islamists, you defend the groups themselves and their belief structures.
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So. Once again you have nothing of value to say. Except personal attacks and senseless accusations.

I must say, your debating skills are somewhat lacking.

I just watched the clip and had a look through, and it is troubling he wouldn't admit to Hamas being a terrorist organization. Does it change my opinion on the mosque... No. If funding came from Hamas, yes. Is that likely. No.

As i said before, if REAL evidence is provided, I will respond positively. This is the first time you've provided me with something solid.
 
Agent Ferris said:
As opposed to wikipedia? Are you ****ing kidding me?

I played the audio and video, the debates over. Now go spread your pro-Islamist propaganda somewhere else as your lies have been exposed here.
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I wasn't aware freedom of religion and private property rights was pro-Islamist. Have you lost your mind?
 
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Let's discuss the topic civilly. How about it folks?
 
Jetboogieman said:
I wasn't aware freedom of religion and private property rights was pro-Islamist. Have you lost your mind?
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Massive problems with conservatives:
1) The belief that Islam = Terrorist
2) The belief that saying anything at all sympathetic to Palestinians or Islam = Support of Terrorism

I could say "Man, a palestinian child was killed in a rocket strike by Israel. Collateral damage can be so tragic."

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM, DEUCE? YOU DAMN LIBERALS!
 
Deuce said:
Massive problems with conservatives:
1) The belief that Islam = Terrorist
2) The belief that saying anything at all sympathetic to Palestinians or Islam = Support of Terrorism

I could say "Man, a palestinian child was killed in a rocket strike by Israel. Collateral damage can be so tragic."

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM, DEUCE? YOU DAMN LIBERALS!
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Pretty much.
 
I know a guy from Palestine runs the corner store by where I used to live. Really nice guy if not a little weird, thinks Jews are bad people though because of what they did to his family but oh well, at least he came to his senses and moved to America.
 
I dunno that is a thin line you tread, really a lot of scientist can and have argued that the conditions and what was described in the bible correlate with the time that is actually supposed to be happening
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The conditions and what was described in The Grapes of Wrath correlate that the time that it was set, but that doesn't mean that The Grapes of Wrath is a history book.

Militant Atheist get under my skin, I shouldn't have responded.
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lol I'm not a militant atheist.

Ooops here's Hannity playing the audio and video of the Hamas statement:

Haunting Words From Imam Behind Ground Zero Mosque | FoxNews.com

I guess you're SOL now pal.
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Uh, first he never said he supported Hamas. Second, Hamas has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. Third, it doesn't matter if he believes Hamas is the coolest party on earth because property laws in the US aren't enforced on the basis of personal beliefs (which was exactly what Bloomberg was saying - apparently freedom of religion is something Hannity disagrees with). Fourth, nothing he said or was quoted saying in that Hannity clip was wrong.

Finally, neither Hannity nor Gingrich make any valid points.
 
The conditions and what was described in The Grapes of Wrath correlate that the time that it was set, but that doesn't mean that The Grapes of Wrath is a history book.
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A good point. I am going to try and find the stuff I am talking about. Perhaps another day or another thread?
 
None of this would mean squat if there weren't still a frickin' hole in the ground NINE YEARS after the towers were knocked down.
 
Harshaw said:
None of this would mean squat if there weren't still a frickin' hole in the ground NINE YEARS after the towers were knocked down.
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I have been wondering how long it would take someone to point this out. I thought we were going to rebuild to show our resolve.
 
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