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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But its not in plain view unless you are a bird.
    Or you have a satellite.

    I'm 95% sure any court would say that qualifies as "plain view."
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Or you have a satellite.

    I'm 95% sure any court would say that qualifies as "plain view."
    I seriously doubt that. How many people own orbital satellites?

    In plain view has always been at ground level. Plain view would not cover Satellite coverage
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I seriously doubt that. How many people own orbital satellites?

    In plain view has always been at ground level. Plain view would not cover Satellite coverage
    It's not what I want but that is how a judge will, most likely, look at it.
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not what I want but that is how a judge will, most likely, look at it.
    I know its not your opinion but I just don't see how you can call a satellite image "in plain sight"

    That from what I have seen has always been from the perspective of an individual's position to what they can see around them not overhead by a machine.
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But its not in plain view unless you are a bird.

    Or are in a plane or helicopter. Where you can say wow look at the number of pools in that area
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    First, its hard for me to call this "big brother" when its a publicly available piece of software that we can all go forth and do this very instant.

    Second, I'm conflicted. The police are not utilizing specialized equipment, performing an action that is beyond what a normal citizen could do without a warrant, is not invading privacy (Which the FLIR in my opinion would as they see inside the house), etc. At the same time, there is something just kind of unnerving about the notion.

    Not sure how I feel on this.

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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea that won't fly, the pools are technically in "plain view" so it would be allowed.
    If it was plain view then they would not have had to use google earth. Again this is no different that tapping phone lines or using FLIR without a warrant.
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I know its not your opinion but I just don't see how you can call a satellite image "in plain sight"

    That from what I have seen has always been from the perspective of an individual's position to what they can see around them not overhead by a machine.
    I thought "in plain view" meant with you own eyeballs.
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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    The thing is, a fence does not present one a reasonable assumption of privacy from individuals in high places. A person in a house near by on the second floor can see in, helicopters can see in, repair man working on a telephone pole can see, a person working on the roof of your neighbor can see in, hell for some fences a tall person can see in.

    This is different then FLIR as it is giving someone a view inside your house, somewhere you have a reasonable expectation of privacy with regards to views through the wall. A phone tap is letting someone listen into something through an extra piece of equipment to hear something that is believed to have an expectation of privacy.

    If you're talking about illegal activity on your cell phone and a cop hears it, or you're playing it on speaker phone, they don't need a warrant to act becuase you're expectation of privacy is negligable because people doing no investigation of any kind of could reasonable be able to do the same thing as the cops. Likewise, you have no reasonable expectation to privacy in your fence because its routinely possible for people to be able to see over it.

    I think you're off base trying to compare this to items that allow you to get a view of sorts inside walls, or something allowing you to ease drop on a private conversation.

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    Re: Google Earth Used To Find Unlicensed Pools

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The thing is, a fence does not present one a reasonable assumption of privacy from individuals in high places. A person in a house near by on the second floor can see in, helicopters can see in, repair man working on a telephone pole can see, a person working on the roof of your neighbor can see in, hell for some fences a tall person can see in.

    This is different then FLIR as it is giving someone a view inside your house, somewhere you have a reasonable expectation of privacy with regards to views through the wall. A phone tap is letting someone listen into something through an extra piece of equipment to hear something that is believed to have an expectation of privacy.

    If you're talking about illegal activity on your cell phone and a cop hears it, or you're playing it on speaker phone, they don't need a warrant to act becuase you're expectation of privacy is negligable because people doing no investigation of any kind of could reasonable be able to do the same thing as the cops. Likewise, you have no reasonable expectation to privacy in your fence because its routinely possible for people to be able to see over it.

    I think you're off base trying to compare this to items that allow you to get a view of sorts inside walls, or something allowing you to ease drop on a private conversation.
    So playing Devil's advocate you would be ok if tax evaluators could leapfrog your fence to see what you have in the back yard in an effort to increase the taxes on your property?
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