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Who the hell put Saddam's party in place originally? That was us. I'm not the one throwing them to the beasts. How many coups ended in failure, how many funding and training of revolutionary armies came back on us? Hell even the Contras were selling drugs on the side. Korea was a mess that got nowhere, same with Vietnam, poor diplomatic relations on our part contributed to the first Gulf War (though beating Iraq isn't that tough). Compassion is great, but our government is not authorized to act on compassion. It is not authorized to act on "humanitarian" causes. We do not go to war to save others. We go to war only when our sovereignty has been attacked. All this "they will get democracy, they will change the region" is just delusion of grandeur. It's not based on anything other than wishful thinking. We've not made a stable government in 7 years. We have created an atmosphere of hostility and proliferated the anti-American attitudes of the region. How many more civilians are dead because of us? When do they have a stable government? How many more American lives does it take for Iraqi "freedom"?
We ****ed up, and we ****ed up good on this one. Staying is only going to be another trillion+ dollars, more dead Americans, more conflict, and little gain. We still have no plans on how to fix the problem, no coherent argument about what it will take, what end game is, and how to get there. I don't endorse any action without a plan. And if we're there another 7 years, spend another couple trillion, spend thousands more of American lives; then what? Still stick it out? When do we call it quits?
Fact of the matter is that it's not our country. We are not the governed, we have no rightful say in their government, its style, or its laws. And the more we interject, the more we **** it up.
We ****ed up, and we ****ed up good on this one. Staying is only going to be another trillion+ dollars, more dead Americans, more conflict, and little gain. We still have no plans on how to fix the problem, no coherent argument about what it will take, what end game is, and how to get there. I don't endorse any action without a plan. And if we're there another 7 years, spend another couple trillion, spend thousands more of American lives; then what? Still stick it out? When do we call it quits?
Fact of the matter is that it's not our country. We are not the governed, we have no rightful say in their government, its style, or its laws. And the more we interject, the more we **** it up.