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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    I'm just hoping they are all out by 2013 so that my boyfriend doesn't have to go back. Call me selfish.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is there any proof, data, or anything on that or are we just making **** up as we go along?
    ****, Ikari, why you gotta be so demanding? Hasn't flying by the seat of our damn pants worked well for us so far?

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How are you going to feel about it when we have to send a brand new crop of American troops into Iraq to put things back together, again. They'll have to learn how to fight the enemy all over again.

    In terms of American KIA's, it would be better to just stay, until we are certain that the Iraqis can keep a handle on things, no matter how long that is.
    that might never happen. we need to get OUT.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How I feel is that we should stop being the world's police department. Our plans for the invasion and nation-building of Iraq were flawed from the onset. Maybe we should get out of the business of propping up handpicked dictators like Saddam Hussein entirely, and then we wouldn't feel compelled to invade when things go sour.

    Yoru mentality is viewed upon a neo-con perception that it is America's job to keep order in the world. I'd say that a number of us feel differently.
    For a long time, America wasn't the world's police force. Then, when things had grown so out of control, that we were forced to get involved, we wound up with a world war that killed a half million Americans. Add up all the combat casualties since WW2 and it's less than half the number of soldiers WIA, KIA ans MIA during WW2.

    Yoru mentality is viewed upon a neo-con perception that it is America's job to keep order in the world. I'd say that a number of us feel differently.
    I'd say that a number of you are wrong and it's based on your short sighted view of the world and a lack of historical knowledge.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Saddam sure didn't (the approach was offered as an alternative to the war)
    There were any number of possible solutions for the Saddam Hussein problem short of outright war. The Bush administration put troops on the ground way too early, with insufficient clarity of mission and no exit plan.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The difference is in weaponry and firepower, not tactics.
    No, there's a huge difference in tactics, unless of course, you can show us which tactical doctrine that street gangs use. Care to?
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For a long time, America wasn't the world's police force. Then, when things had grown so out of control, that we were forced to get involved, we wound up with a world war that killed a half million Americans. Add up all the combat casualties since WW2 and it's less than half the number of soldiers WIA, KIA ans MIA during WW2.
    None of our police actions around the world since WWII have been effective. Part of our problem in WW2 was that we had insufficient forces to get involved in what was happening in Europe. I support having a large standing volunteer army, but using them far less frequently.


    I'd say that a number of you are wrong and it's based on your short sighted view of the world and a lack of historical knowledge.
    History suggests that our involvement in police actions and nation building have failed every single time since WW2.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that might never happen. we need to get OUT.
    Why? So we declare defeat and shame our veterans for the rest of their lives for being losers, like we did after Vietnam?

    Also, we send the message to the bad guys that they do not need to defeat our soldiers on the battlefield, all they need to do is defeat our gutless politicians in Washington and the anti-war crowd who voted for those politicians.

    I', having trouble seeing an upside, here.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, there's a huge difference in tactics, unless of course, you can show us which tactical doctrine that street gangs use. Care to?
    So, your contention is that we are being opposed militarily in Iraq? Doesn't that fly in the face of your belief that these are enemy combatants who can be tortured, then? Which is it?

    The tactics of street gangs largely depend on the gang, but in Los Angeles and Chicago, they are fairly organized in criminal activity and control of specific neighborhoods through terror and intimidation.

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