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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're still babysitting the Germans, 70 years after the end of WW2.

    Might as well start gearing up for the 3rd Iraq War.
    Bases like Ramstein aren't in Germany because we need to "babysit" the German people. It is in use for it's stragetic purposes, not to mention bases such as Ramstein are a massive boost to Deutchland's economy. Not only that it is used by many of our allies including CA, SK, UK, JP, and AU specifically. There is no tactical purpose to set up a massive installation inside Iraqi especially when we also have major installations within Kuwait.

    Anyways, glad to see that this is finally happening.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    This doesn't seem to mean very much. We'll still have 50,000 troops there, they'll still be engaging in combat, and we'll probably try to extend their mandate after 2011. I don't think we'll be leaving Iraq to the Iraqis any time soon. It would defeat the whole purpose of the mission.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    If this all goes according to what we're told, I think people on both sides of the aisle should give Obama a lot of credit for being open and honest with the American people regarding the war in Iraq. The cost in lives and taxpayer dollars from this war is unforgivable and our President's actions are a good reminder of why I'm happy that McCain wasn't elected.
    I'm trying hard to see if you're actually serious, because this is ridiculous.

    You realize this time table was in place PRIOR to Obama right? That it was one Bush helped forge. What exactly makes you think that McCain would've done any different than Obama in regards to keeping to the time table Bush and the Iraqi's had already laid the groundwork for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Al-Quaeda will throw a huge celebration barbecue and annouce to their supporters, "See, I told you they don't have the resolve for the fight."

    This war against terror is in it's INFANTILE stages. They haven't even begun their fight yet.

    Obama is a disaster like this country has never seen, and hopefully never will again.
    Again, just like putting all the credit on Obama for the pull out is idiotic, so would be putting all the blame for it on him. This was a George Bush orchestrated plan, and while blame or credit can go to Obama for maintaining it, he should not be the sole reciever of whichever it is you think is warranted.

    The barbeque thing is rather pointless though. If we stay, they're going to use it as propoganda. If we go, they're going to use it as propoganda. Its an emotional point made not for any legitimate use or for any kind of actual counter point, but to attempt to touch upon the listeners ego and pride and hope they make an emotional rather than logical judgement. Unless you're seriously telling me that us staying there wouldn't ALSO be used as propoganda to ramp up spirits and to ramp up recruitment, which would be idiotic, then its not really a "problem". All it would do is change what they were saying in their propoganda, but its not like it'd magically create more of it or create it out of no where. Similar things are already happening. These people are not dumb and they do not play the manipulation game only when its convienent to your emotional pleas to continue something; they're going to be spinning the issue regardless.

    We have given a number of years and countless dollars and blood for the Iraqi's. I still think a PUBLIC time table was an error to do, but at the same time I believe hands were forced by it becoming a political issue which moved it out of the realm of simply being a military decision, which it should've been. However, what is being done is correct. The Iraqi government HAD to eventually have its feet put to the fire, like a 20-something who theoritically wants to move out but never bothers getting a job or finding a place, if we were ever going to have a limited active presence. By them working with the US to form the time table they're putting it on their shoulders.

    Also, do not be fooled into thinking because the combat mission is going to end that that's the end of it. We're going to still have soldiers there, we're still going to be there to support the Iraqi's, but its time that they must take the lead role with us in support rather than the other way around.

    Indeed, it would be idiotic for us to leave completely. Not just because as a fledgling government they'll need assistance, but because it would have made the war far more wasteful. One of the main benefits of Iraq is its strategic location centered within the middle of the Middle East, with close proximity to Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. It gives us an ally that is not univesrally hated (in Israel) to which we can establish a presense both for psyops (attempting to change the hearts and minds of neighboring countries covertly) or actual operations should such a time ever come. It also is in the U.S.'s best long term interest to remain and assist, to see Iraq become a stable and prosperous Democracy to provide a middle eastern example of the good that can come from such a system.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I just find it weird that exactly now when terrorism is at its golden age in Iraq the military is withdrawing. It's a weird timing.
    Exactly how long do you believe that U.S. forces should stay on the ground in Iraq, trying to maintain order? There comes a point when perhaps us being there with 100K troops on the ground is part of the problem. It becomes a focus for feeling like we are conquering invaders, and takes the emphasis off of the Iraqi people doing for themselves. Do the Iraqis want U.S. forces in Iraq in those kinds of numbers? Clearly, they do not. We are responding to THEIR WILL in the matter.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by youknowwho View Post
    ok, this actually scares me. it's like US is closing a front, just to open another one up. and guess what, all the world is talking about Iran.
    I don't think that Iran is going to be invaded by the U.S. anytime soon. The American people are not supportive of this, and our troops are actually stretched to their limits. We have guys who've done multiple tours in Iraq and whose personal lives have become very difficult as a result. There comes a time to say what our limits our, and we've done all we can in Iraq, IMO. THis is a matter of us having an end point for a not very well planned campaign.

    Iran is a different situation. I think many of us are still hoping that the Iranian people will eventually create a democracy on their own impetus.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    This doesn't seem to mean very much. We'll still have 50,000 troops there, they'll still be engaging in combat, and we'll probably try to extend their mandate after 2011. I don't think we'll be leaving Iraq to the Iraqis any time soon. It would defeat the whole purpose of the mission.
    it would be our mistake to extend that mandate. we need to get the hell out of dodge and let the iraqis rule the iraqis, however flawed they might be.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I've always hated that term, "The war on terror". It's stupid, you can't have a war on terror, terrorism is a tactic used by people, or a specific group of people. It's not something you can defeat, it's like having a war on air strikes.
    Can't have a war on an ideology as well, but its pretty accurate to suggest the Cold War as a War on Communism.

    I think people get too hyped up on the "War on Terror" monikor, and it always bugs me when people make THAT the issue when people dare to simply call it what its technical term is.

    Was it a stupid term to use? Sure. But it was also the most simplified way to say it...

    In more specific, its a war on state sponsored terrorists whose goal is (arguably) the subjigation or destruction of westernized society, typically by militant radical islamists.

    The issue here is, unlike a traditional war, there is no specific STATE to quote. Even beyond that, there is no specific group as terrorist organizations are legion and interconnect in odd ways while maintaining autonomy. The "War on Terror" notion is a sound bite, but only truly inaccurate if one is attempting to view it completely literally without allowing any context or reason to play into it. When one realizes and accepts, even if they disagree, that this is a "war" against state sponsored terrorists organizations that threaten the United States and its Allies then the "War on Terror" label makes far more sense, as "terror" is a reference to the classification of the group rather than a specific group name.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Iran is a different situation. I think many of us are still hoping that the Iranian people will eventually create a democracy on their own impetus.
    This is actually possibly my greatest disappointment with Obama and one I don't voice often but what angers me likely the most.

    Invasion likely would've not been needed. What was needed was for US to be the Iranian's French (god, I just compared us to the french).

    A spark finally ignited the dry timber that was the Iranian youth, world opinion was firmly on their side, conditions were such that a take over would've seemed and likely been taken as legitimate by most of the world community. All that was needed was someone to fan the flames, to add fuel to the fire, to step up in support of the Iranian people not just in words (but at LEAST in words) but in action as well. I'm not necessarily saying military action, though if needed perhaps, but that is hardly the only type of action.

    Our independence did not come about simply due to the will and hope of the American's, it came about as it did in large part due to another country deciding to come to the aid of people who had at that time no nation of their own but were fighting for such.

    Our best shot at removing Iran as a thread had little to do with bombs or tanks or anything of the like. It was putting our full backing behind those revolutionaries that were attempting to right the wrong that occured in that country, and helping them to impliment a government of the people and by the people in that country. We missed that shot, we let it slip away, and I dare say I do not think that fact is going to be one we kick ourselves for repeatedly at the point when we do finally have to confront Iran in a more conventional way.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is actually possibly my greatest disappointment with Obama and one I don't voice often but what angers me likely the most.
    I feel your pain, bro. Obama should have publicly come out and supported the people of Iran, and refused to negotiate with "I'm a dinner jacket."

    On the other hand, military support wasn't what we should have provided. Public, firm, moral support was what was needed, and the Obama administration misfired.

    Hell, for that matter, the mainstream media barely paid attention. If not for people like Andrew Sullivan, it would barely have been a blip on the radar.

    However, I don't believe that the green movement in Iran is over, by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, it was a public expression of the Iranian people's deep and abiding dissatisfaction with their present leadership. It's a matter of time.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Al-Quaeda will throw a huge celebration barbecue and annouce to their supporters, "See, I told you they don't have the resolve for the fight."

    This war against terror is in it's INFANTILE stages. They haven't even begun their fight yet.

    Obama is a disaster like this country has never seen, and hopefully never will again.
    Oh god, he's nothing of the sort. FDR was one of the worst things to happen to this country and Obama is not even close to that. And all this **** about the WOT..."infantile stages"? We've been at it for a long time now. It's not in the "infantile" stage, it's in the "incompetent" stage. Has been from the beginning. We're not doing anything but feeding right into the terrorist propaganda machine. If we're not going to do anything, there's no point wasting our lives and our money on their problem. **** those assholes, let them figure it out for themselves. I'll take my chance with the terrorists, they're mostly incompetent as well. They got lucky with an attack and now we're all freaking out like they're god damned Nazi Germany. They ain't that good.
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