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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nice false dichotomy. You can be a super power without ****ing everyone else over though. That's perhaps at least worthy of investigation.
    You are worried about us ****ing over dictators and ethnic aggressors? That's telling.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You are worried about us ****ing over dictators and ethnic aggressors? That's telling.
    Nope, I'm worried about keeping the government constrained to the chains of the Constitution. But we have had other dealings outside that which has led to interference; like the type which installs dicatators or helps certain parties which are favorable to us at the time gain power. And those can and have backfired on us.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Good to see that The Obama didnt mess up GWB's plan for withdrawing from Iraq.

    Thank you, GWB, for not listening to the noodleheads who said that the war was not just unwinnable but already lost, and, instead, created the condtitions that would allow us to accomplish our stated goals and then leave.

    After all, -they- were only concerned with domestic elections and partisan political power; you were concerned with the right thing to do.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, I'm worried about keeping the government constrained to the chains of the Constitution. But we have had other dealings outside that which has led to interference; like the type which installs dicatators or helps certain parties which are favorable to us at the time gain power. And those can and have backfired on us.
    Our efforts in Iraq is constitutional.

    I agree with you on the many examples of installing dictatorships through the cold war. It undermines our intent to promote democracy. Those were vastly different situations than Iraq.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    It will be disturbing and interesting to see how they function (or fail to) without us - my thought is that insurgents will regroup and become stronger and more aggressive . . . incidences of violence will increase, death tolls will continue to rise, and it will quickly come a growing haven for more insurgents and so forth.

    Many people talk about "The Taliban" and "Al Qaeda" and so forth as if they are bound to their region.
    To me that's like the Crypts VS the Bloods - yes, they dominate one area. But all in all they're still a gang. If you, by any means necessary, are able to drive out or end gang activity in one area - they will, in many ways, just relocate. . . they might form 'new gangs' and let go of some strategies - but they are still a gang and still up to no good, they're just doing it *over there --->*

    Look at Cabrini Green - gangs rat-holed in the Cabrini Projects and thoroughly took the entire area over. When they finally decided to tear down the Project - did that *end* the gang activity? No - it just relocated it, dispersed it into other areas of the city.

    I think that's the situation we see in the Middle East - our efforts X here X drive them ---> there. And then we focus there and they go X someplace else X and then we hit them there and they might X<--- come back here.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Thank you, GWB, for not listening to the noodleheads who said that the war was not just unwinnable but already lost, and, instead, created the condtitions that would allow us to accomplish our stated goals and then leave.

    After all, -they- were only concerned with domestic elections and partisan political power; you were concerned with the right thing to do.
    Iraq doesn't have a government.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Iraq doesn't have a government.
    Ah - yeah they do.
    To be specific: they're a federal parliamentary representative democratic republic. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...maliki-refused

    How on earth this slipped by you I haven't a clue.

    Their government has *changed* dramatically in recent years.
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Ah - yeah they do.
    To be specific: they're a federal parliamentary representative democratic republic. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...maliki-refused
    Reporting from Baghdad —
    With less than a month to go before the U.S. military completes its drawdown to 50,000 troops and political negotiations still deadlocked, it now seems all but certain that the American combat mission here will end without an elected Iraqi government in place.
    In Iraq, government faces impasse as U.S. troops draw down - latimes.com
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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Lovely talking points. I like how you start out by confusing the war in Iraq with Osama Bin Laden. You're what... almost exactly 10 years behind the curve? Very nice. If you believe everything you just said, you must ignore a whole lot of facts.
    Jesus man, learn to read.

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    Re: US combat mission in Iraq to end on schedule Aug 31: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nice false dichotomy. You can be a super power without ****ing everyone else over though. That's perhaps at least worthy of investigation.
    The United States is proof of that. We've never ****ed over anyone that didn't have it coming. Were we sometimes unable to make everyone happy? Of course, but we never ****ed over anyone that didn't deserve it.
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