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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I guess to a racist way of thinking, sure.
    Mexicans take over drug trade to US / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

    In the largest reorganization since the 1980s, senior US officials say, Mexican cartels have leveraged the profits from their delivery routes to wrest control from the Colombian producers. The shift is also because of the success authorities have had in cracking down on Colombia's kingpins.

    As a result, Mexican drug lords are calling the shots in what the UN estimates is a $142 billion a year business in cocaine, heroin, marijuana, methamphetamine, and illicit drugs on US streets.

    "Today, the Mexicans have taken over and are running the organized crime, and getting the bulk of the money," says John Walters, the White House drug czar, in a phone interview. "The Colombians have pulled back."
    Reuters AlertNet - U.S. border police train Mexicans for drug fight

    NOGALES, Ariz., April 23 (Reuters) - In a warehouse in this Arizona border city, a U.S. Border Patrol trainer teaches a Mexican federal policeman to slip into a boxing stance and press a military assault rifle to his shoulder.

    Taking aim at a silhouette just a few paces away, the policeman lets off a rapid burst of practice fire in an exercise designed to recreate the urban drug war raging just across the border in Mexico.

    "They're getting into close-quarter combat all the time with the drug smugglers and the cartels," Border Patrol instructor Tom Pittman said during a break from training a group of nine Mexican federal agents on Friday.
    Illegal Mexicans, Drug Smuggling, Fundamental Muslims All Provide a Problem; Maybe There is a Single Solution! - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

    Illegal Immigration: Drugs, Gangs and Crime | John W. Pope Civitas Institute

    Paramilitary groups trading fire with U.S. agents. Kidnappings and murders of U.S. citizens. Members of al-Qaida, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations infiltrating the border on a routine basis. We are not talking about Iraq – but Texas. One of the clearest indicators the United States has lost control of its southwest border is the ease with which thousands of tons of drugs and millions of illegal aliens are crossing the U.S. border on an annual basis. This open borders policy has opened the door to more than just cheap labor. The presence of millions of undocumented persons in our country has provided a perfect cover for various forms of criminal activity, ranging from drug trafficking to prostitution to identity theft.
    PolitiFact | Arizona Gov. Brewer says 'majority' of illegals are 'drug mules'

    Arizona Republican Gov. Jan Brewer created a frenzy in April 2010 when she signed a law that makes being an illegal immigrant a state crime and requires legal immigrants to carry papers that confirm their status. Then in late June, she linked illegal immigrants and drug smuggling.

    The string of controversial comments began June 15, 2010, during a debate with three other candidates running for the Republican nomination for governor.

    Republican candidate Matt Jette said that most people who cross illegally into Arizona are "just trying to feed their families." Brewer, according to the Arizona Republic, disputed that, saying, "They're coming here, and they're bringing drugs. And they're doing drop houses, and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the families."

    A few days later, on June 25, Brewer expanded upon her comments during a question-and-answer session with reporters. (A verbatim account of the exchange is available here.)

    "Well, we all know that the majority of the people that are coming to Arizona and trespassing are now becoming drug mules," Brewer said. "They're coming across our borders in huge numbers. The drug cartels have taken control of the immigration. … So they are criminals. They're breaking the law when they are trespassing and they're criminals when they pack the marijuana and the drugs on their backs."
    Thank you. Now I know Jan Brewer is a racist.

    That doesn't preclude them making a legitimate threat and offer.
    Only we don't really know who made the threat. We have something which they supposedly sent to some unknown on an untraceable text message to some anonymous person. How far would that fly in a court room? Send me your number so I can text you a text message from Al-Qaeda with a Somalian phone number.
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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Thank you. Now I know Jan Brewer is a racist.
    What Jan Brewer said does not equate to the bull**** you tried to peddle.

    Only we don't really know who made the threat. We have something which they supposedly sent to some unknown on an untraceable text message to some anonymous person. How far would that fly in a court room? Send me your number so I can text you a text message from Al-Qaeda with a Somalian phone number.
    No, we do know that a text message came through calling for the head of Sheriff Joe and claiming to be a drug cartel. That's enough to take seriously.

    And for you to confess that we don't know who did it, you seem pretty quick to make a judgment that it was done by people trying to create sympathy for Arizona.

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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well that is who Mexicans are associate with aren't they? They are smuggled with drugs and guns. Cut off the illegal immigrant trade, cut off the drug/weapons smuggling. As I said, the fact there is so little detail makes me think this is just made up to give some sympathy to people like Arpaio. Mexican drug cartels have more than enough power to simply have one of their members do the deed.
    This is pretty much the truth. If the cartels really wanted Arpaio dead right now, he'd already be dead. They already have more than enough members in the U.S., plus local street gangs working for them, to carry it off. I don't find this particular story credible, at all, which was my main point in this thread.

    However, they are already doing these sorts of things in border states, and as I posted, recently threatened an entire department in Arizona.

    http://www.kvoa.com/news/drug-cartel...e-deptartment/

    Let me just say, up front, that I have zero problems with Arizona's new law. There's no reason that illegal immigrants should be tolerated in the U.S. But Arpaio has zero credibility.
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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    If my time was my own just now, I'd load up my roll-out gear, guns and armor, head down there and offer Arpio my services as bodyguard for free. That's how I feel about it.

    **** these damn cartels. We need to f'ing declare war on THEM, directly and personally and with laser-guided explosive munitions, and a list of names and addresses.

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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What Jan Brewer said does not equate to the bull**** you tried to peddle.
    Obviously it would not be in the best interest of people who support Arizona's xenophobic law to have people they connect to illegal immigrants validate their concerns. Illegals immigrants and drug smugglers have never been connected by supporters of Arizona's xenophobic law. Never. Not once, oh wait....

    No, we do know that a text message came through calling for the head of Sheriff Joe and claiming to be a drug cartel. That's enough to take seriously.
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    Serious indeed...

    And for you to confess that we don't know who did it, you seem pretty quick to make a judgment that it was done by people trying to create sympathy for Arizona.
    What I have actually said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    An unidentified man, with an unidentified wife, receives a text message from an unidentified number. This text message supposedly says that a Cartel is seeking the head of Joe Arpaio. Well, that is the first time I've ever heard of a Cartel offering money for someone's head when they could just as easily have one of their own in America do it without broad casting it to some random phone number.

    Sounds like bull**** made up by Arizona supporters to me. Did they happen to find any backward C's in the text message?
    Never really accused anyone of anything. Just said it sounds like bull**** to me. But tell us Jallman. Why, would a cartel which runs hundreds of millions of dollars a year through the bank send a message to a random phone number in the U.S. when they have killed people much more influencial than Joe Arpaio without so much as making a peep? Seriously, pick up a book on these people. They don't need to send text messages.
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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If my time was my own just now, I'd load up my roll-out gear, guns and armor, head down there and offer Arpio my services as bodyguard for free. That's how I feel about it.

    **** these damn cartels. We need to f'ing declare war on THEM, directly and personally and with laser-guided explosive munitions, and a list of names and addresses.
    I'm basically in agreement with you, Goshin. Our forces would serve us much better out of Iraq, and on the border with Mexico. Mexico is basically being destabilized by the cartels, more than 25,000 people have been killed in the past 2 years, and the military/government leaders/police forces have come under the "silver or lead" of the cartels. It's a very dangerous situation.

    I actually read recently about a group on the border that claimed to be killing cartel members with sniper rifles. Now I can't seem to find the article again.

    Check this out, though: http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/12774/150/

    American consular staff were assassinated in Mexico in March. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36094
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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If my time was my own just now, I'd load up my roll-out gear, guns and armor, head down there and offer Arpio my services as bodyguard for free. That's how I feel about it.

    **** these damn cartels. We need to f'ing declare war on THEM, directly and personally and with laser-guided explosive munitions, and a list of names and addresses.
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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Never really accused anyone of anything. Just said it sounds like bull**** to me. But tell us Jallman. Why, would a cartel which runs hundreds of millions of dollars a year through the bank send a message to a random phone number in the U.S. when they have killed people much more influencial than Joe Arpaio without so much as making a peep? Seriously, pick up a book on these people. They don't need to send text messages.
    Hatuey, you can link to every sham that ever happened in history and I can link to every threat that was followed through on. Fact of the matter is, until it is discovered to be anything other that what it is, it's something to take seriously.

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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Hatuey, you can link to every sham that ever happened in history and I can link to every threat that was followed through on. Fact of the matter is, until it is discovered to be anything other that what it is, it's something to take seriously.
    Not to Hatuey....... unless it's a minority of course.
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    Re: Mexican Drug Cartel Allegedly Puts a Price on Arizona Sheriff's Head

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why, would a cartel which runs hundreds of millions of dollars a year through the bank send a message to a random phone number in the U.S. when they have killed people much more influencial than Joe Arpaio without so much as making a peep? Seriously, pick up a book on these people. They don't need to send text messages.
    They already have operational networks in the U.S. of their own people. They don't need to send random text messages to random people. They pay their people well for assassinations, and they commit a lot of them.

    I don't find this story credible as it was reported. It is, I'm sure, being followed up on by DEA and possibly FBI. However, it smells like a publicity stunt to me. This isn't how these guys commit assassinations.

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