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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    To me this case should be thrown out and the criminal have time added for filing such a lame case. About a year ago a friend and myself assisted a Wal-Mart employee detain a shoplifter who had left the store with the stolen items. The shoplifter was getting the best of the employee and the employee was shouting for help. The thief most likely would have gotten away if no one helped. We assisted in detaining the individual till the police arrived. IMO, it was the correct thing to do as well as it was the right thing for others to help detain the thief in the original post. For those that think on LE should get involved in detaining suspects, what happened to neighbor helping neighbor in this country?
    I responded to a 'situation' behind a bar one night. An employee and some others detained a man who they witnessed attacking his girlfriend, and he was still holding him down when I showed up. The man was released by the employee, only to resist us and get pepper sprayed.

    It never even crossed my mind once to bother trying to charge the employee for detaining the guy, even though the guy had bloodied knees from falling on the pavement from the detention.
    To do so is just absolutely silly.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps not, but we do have the right to beat the crap out of them before they're subdued. I think in a situation like that, "subdued", can be all about perspective.

    My perspective would be that he's not subdued until I've beat him so bad that he can't get up anymore; at which point--of course--I'll stop beating the crap out of him.
    No, YOU DO NOT. You have the right to subdue them and wait for the police. You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT have the right to beat on ANYBODY. That is backwards republican justice.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Frankly, some criminals must have the crap beat out of them before they are subdued. Have you ever worked the streets as a cop or paramedic? I'm guessing no.
    Groucho is a criminal defense attorney, I think he has a good knowledge that his clients are sometimes complete assholes that have to be dealt with physically.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I didn't accuse the cops of anything. I said if they are doing no wrong, they should have nothing to hide and there should be no fear of a court case. How can you not see the clear distinction between one and the other? Stop foaming at the mouth and take the time to read what people say before you go off on them.

    Saying that convicts should have no right to have court cases about police brutally is equally as extreme as saying police are always abusing their authority and never doing their jobs. The rights of the individual are paramount, and if the people who arrested the guy in this case did so within the proper letter of the law then they have nothing to worry about.

    Now stop having a heart attack over something I never even said, and calm the **** down please.
    LOL...... You are still blathering about police brutality.

    Read slowly.

    THIS... THREAD... HAS... NOTHING... TO.... DO.... WITH..... POLICE... BRUTALITY.

    The police weren't the ones who captured this burglar.......

    Would you mind staying on topic and not using this thread as a way to whine and cry about how you distrust the police?
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Ummm... I think it has alot to do with the fact that it was an hour later.....

    MUCH different than what I was speaking of....
    I have no idea what you're talking about.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    If the man was brutalized, he deserves the money. If he were a republican, you would be on his side.
    If he hadn't been burglarizing someone, he wouldn't have been brutalized.

    It's a sad day in this country when a robber has more rights than law abiding citizens, protecting their property. Even sadder than that, are the people that think that's ok.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    No, YOU DO NOT. You have the right to subdue them and wait for the police. You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT have the right to beat on ANYBODY. That is backwards republican justice.
    The **** I don't! If I have to beat the crap out of him to protect myself and to subdue him, then you're damn skippy I have the right.

    How long before you're old enough to live in the real world??
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    The real world is that if you go beyond defending yourself to beating the crap out of him (assuming you can) then he has the right of redress. You can choose to pretend you are civilised, or pay a penalty for not doing so.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The real world is that if you go beyond defending yourself to beating the crap out of him (assuming you can) then he has the right of redress. You can choose to pretend you are civilised, or pay a penalty for not doing so.
    That attitude will only lead to people taking said burgler and dumping his body in the woods, for fear of a law suit, or some Libbo do gooder over-enforcing the law.

    It's that weak way of thinking that only encourages criminals to victimize citizens, because they know from the git-go that they have the law on their side. Laws are only for law abiding folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The **** I don't! If I have to beat the crap out of him to protect myself and to subdue him, then you're damn skippy I have the right.

    How long before you're old enough to live in the real world??
    If he is running away when you attack him, YOU will be held accountable. The same applies to shooting him. If he is going to flee, you CANNOT assault him. He will rape you in civil court.

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