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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It doesn't matter to me if the guy suing is a convict or not... we should always be vigilant that our authorities are not overstepping or abusing their powers. I am shocked to see people here saying that convicts should have no right to raise complaints or take officers to court. Just what kind of dictatorship do you want us to live in? I find such claims laughable.... just like how cops in various districts are now considering video cameras to be "weapons". If you have nothing to hide and you're just doing your job, then a camera won't make a difference.

    If there are abuses and there is evidence, it should be brought up.
    LOL.

    We get it, you hate the police.

    But this thread isn't about the police.........................
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    LOL.

    We get it, you hate the police.

    But this thread isn't about the police.........................
    We get it, you don't know how to read.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    As far as a civil trial.... most juries wouldn't reward a crook jack ****.
    Especially since when they caught up to him he was butt ass naked and still had cocaine on him.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Well, honestly; it was a non-violent crime, and I don't think it's the place of random citizens to beat and injure him.
    He had not been proven guilty in a court of law.
    If he was resisting arrest and the police had to rough him up in order to take him down, that's one thing. They are within their rights to do so, I suppose. Whatever it takes to subdue him.

    But I think it sets a bad precedent for the legal system to condone citizens beating other citizens with impunity, simply because they perceive them to be in the act of committing a property crime.

    I feel the judge probably will not rule in favor of this plaintiff, but I think he/she should, if only to discourage citizens from this sort of vigilantism in the future.
    There's a lot we don't know, such as how badly the plaintiff was injured.
    I think it really depends. Sure, you can't have them gang up on the dude and beat the ever living crap out of him. But if he's running and they tackle him, say, that's fine. I don't think it's something we can completely dismiss by saying "the guy is a criminal"; there is a line which can be crossed. At the same accord, it shouldn't be expected that there would be no physical violence especially if the guy is trying to get away. People have the right to protect their property as well. So if they tackle him and hold him down, if he fights back and takes a couple swings; that's gonna happen. You can't curb stomp the guy, but there's going to be some level of physical altercation just given the nature of the system.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    We get it, you don't know how to read.
    OMFG are you serious?

    Your accusing me of not knowing how to read when you jump into a thread about citizens and start accusing the cops of abuse and then follow it up by going COMPLETELY off topic about the video camera stupidity in your attempt to deamonize the police furthur.....

    Yet you accuse ME of not being able to read? Out-****ing-standing! I am totally blown away!
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You keep throwing up the statutes.
    There is one problem with this.
    Who decides when to prosecute a case? Why the district attorney's office of course.
    Most district attorney's also won't prosecute because they don't want to discourage people from defending themselves.

    It would have to be an extreme case, not a case of a guy sitting on an escaping felon and the felon having some broken ribs in the process.

    As far as a civil trial.... most juries wouldn't reward a crook jack ****.
    Yeah, well, statutes are the law. That's why I keep "throwing up the statutes." You have already decided this man's claims are baseless because he's in jail. And because you read some one-paragraph story about the incident. Fortunately, the courts don't work that way. They actually allow claimants to produce evidence. You've seen not one shred.

    As I said before, unless the case is summarily thrown out, the guy being sued is going to lose one way or another, because it's going to cost him a small fortune to defend himself.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    @ Orion -- Re juries? You might be interested to read this:

    A federal jury found Tuesday that a southern Arizona rancher didn’t violate the civil rights of a group of illegal immigrants who claimed that he detained them at gunpoint in 2004.
    The eight-member civil jury also found Roger Barnett wasn’t liable on claims of battery and false imprisonment.
    But the jury did find him liable on four claims of assault and four claims of infliction of emotional distress and ordered Barnett to pay $77,804 in damages — $60,000 of which were punitive.Barnett declined to comment afterward, but one of his attorneys, David Hardy, said the plaintiffs lost on the bulk of their claims and that Barnett has a good basis for appeal on the two counts on which he lost.
    Re D.A.'s? You might be interested in this:

    It’s one of the cases that gets ordinary people all riled up. A chronic criminal, Anthony Bennett, who some say stole from Chinatown stores for years finally got caught. A hard-working store owner, Mr. Chen, aided by two associates, witnessed a theft, confronted the culprit an hour later and then caught him, tied his hands, put him in a truck and called the police. And what do the cops end up doing? They charge Mr. Chen with assault, kidnapping, unlawful confinement, and carrying concealed weapons. The last charge is for having a box cutter.
    But the cops had a lawful reason to arrest Mr. Chen. If citizens see crime in progress on their property, they can catch criminals. But Mr. Chen went after Mr. Bennett an hour after the theft. Mr. Chen and his two associates chased Mr. Bennett.
    In the United States, people making citizen arrests are subject to "strict liability" -- a legal doctrine in which someone is held personally responsible for the damages caused by their actions, regardless of their intentions or personal fault. Read more: What are Citizen's Arrest Requirements? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6319479_cit...#ixzz0vURQkUrI

    Making a citizen's arrest is not for sissies.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Well, honestly; it was a non-violent crime, and I don't think it's the place of random citizens to beat and injure him.
    He had not been proven guilty in a court of law.
    If he was resisting arrest and the police had to rough him up in order to take him down, that's one thing. They are within their rights to do so, I suppose. Whatever it takes to subdue him.

    But I think it sets a bad precedent for the legal system to condone citizens beating other citizens with impunity, simply because they perceive them to be in the act of committing a property crime.

    I feel the judge probably will not rule in favor of this plaintiff, but I think he/she should, if only to discourage citizens from this sort of vigilantism in the future.
    There's a lot we don't know, such as how badly the plaintiff was injured.
    Damn lucky he was not within my neck of the woods, his ass would be full of holes and at that he would be fortunate, myself, i would have shot the bast*rd.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Of course it wasn't a victimless crime.
    It was a non-violent property crime.
    I see no reason for random citizens to respond to non-violent crimes with violence, if that is in fact what they did.
    I see no reason for the police to respond to non-violent crimes with violence, either, although I understand it is necessary for them to use whatever force is necessary to take the suspect into custody.
    So what you going to do, sit him down with a cup of coffee and ask him to wait for the Police?

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    So what you going to do, sit him down with a cup of coffee and ask him to wait for the Police?
    Ya see this is why I always keep a couple of rocks of crack in my house. Sit him down and let 'em smoke till the cops show....

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