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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a true statement of the law. However, if someone breaks into an occupied home it is presumed they intend to do the occupants bodily harm. if they are coming in-kill them. If they are running away with your property you best not
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I only opine in such a passionate manner, because for some reason, a couple of posters suggest I'm some sort of a criminal, simply because I choose to excercise my right to use deadly force to protect my family and my property. You did read those posts. Yes?

    If you choose not to protect your family and property in the same manner, then that's your business and I'm not going to insult you for making that decision. However, someone shouldn't insult me and accuse me of criminal activity for doing the opposite.

    If you expect me to lose any sleep because this goof-ball thinks he got ruffed up a little too much; it ain't gonna happen. He broke the law, he got caught, he got his ass kicked a little. I'm not having a problem with him getting his ass kicked. IMO, it needs to happen more often. In a just world, a judge would laugh this asshole right out of the courtroom.
    You DO NOT have the right to use deadly force to protect your property. That is what you do not seem to grasp. If you do, you WILL be a criminal and you WILL serve prison time.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You DO NOT have the right to use deadly force to protect your property. That is what you do not seem to grasp. If you do, you WILL be a criminal and you WILL serve prison time.
    Correct; however, you may have the right if someone has, as was pointed out, entered your home.

    It's all a matter of reasonableness based on the situation.

    If you shoot some guy in the back or someone who has thrown up his hands and surrendered, then you've gone too far obviously.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Correct; however, you may have the right if someone has, as was pointed out, entered your home.

    It's all a matter of reasonableness based on the situation.

    If you shoot some guy in the back or someone who has thrown up his hands and surrendered, then you've gone too far obviously.
    Depends on the state involved, the police who respond to the incident, and the D.A Here's one for the books: (Apbst posted the guy's name yesterday.)

    The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two men burgling his neighbor's home. Publicized recordings of Horn's exchange with emergency dispatch indicate that he was asked repeatedly not to interfere with the burglary because the police would soon be on hand. The shootings have resulted in debate regarding self-defense, Castle Doctrine laws, and Texas laws relating to use of (deadly) force to prevent or stop property crimes. The illegal alien status of the burglars has been highlighted because of the U.S. border controversy. On June 30, 2008, Joe Horn was cleared by a grand jury in the Pasadena shootings.

    Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door neighbor's home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 911 to call police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referring to a law (Texas Penal Code 9.41., 9.42., and 9.43.) which justified the use of deadly force to protect property. He stated that he was going to go outside and confront the burglars with his shotgun. As the burglars were exiting his neighbor's home, and reportedly approaching Horn's home, Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 911 operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 911 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, "Move, and you're dead",[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more. Following the shootings Mr. Horn told the 911 operator, "They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice!"

    Police initially identified the dead men in Horn's yard as 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz, 30, both of Houston of Afro Latino descent. However, DeJesus was actually an alias of Hernando Riascos Torres, 38. They were carrying a sack with more than $2,000 cash and jewelry taken from the home. Both were convicted criminals from Colombia who had entered the country illegally, and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz while Torres had three identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic, and had been previously sent to prison for dealing cocaine and was deported in 1999.

    A plain clothes police detective responding to the 911 call had arrived at the scene before the shooting and witnessed the escalation and shootings, while remaining in his car. His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed "received gunfire from the rear". Police Capt. A.H. Corbett stated the two men ignored Mr. Horn's order to freeze and one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before he angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back. Note: The medical examiner's report did not specify they were shot in the back, although that has been widely misquoted. Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into his front yard. The detective did not arrest Horn.
    Joe Horn shooting controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Depends on the state involved, the police who respond to the incident, and the D.A Here's one for the books: (Apbst posted the guy's name yesterday.)

    Joe Horn shooting controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    This to me is not self-defense or even a citizen's arrest. It does make me wonder why that cop just stayed in his car rather than intervening.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    This to me is not self-defense or even a citizen's arrest. It does make me wonder why that cop just stayed in his car rather than intervening.
    Safety concerns. He was alone with no backup, and not in uniform.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Safety concerns. He was alone with no backup, and not in uniform.

    #1 job of a police officer is to go the **** home at the end of their shift.
    I figured it was something like that.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You DO NOT have the right to use deadly force to protect your property. That is what you do not seem to grasp. If you do, you WILL be a criminal and you WILL serve prison time.
    Here in Louisiana, we do.

    If you want to be a victim, then that's certainly your right. I choose not to be a victim.

    I guess it's good for me that there are folks like you that are willing to be lambs to the slaughter. That means the criminals will pick on your waaaaay before they come around my crib ****ing around.
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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post

    If you shoot some guy in the back or someone who has thrown up his hands and surrendered, then you've gone too far obviously.
    Speaking of shooting people in the back...

    My partner and I respond to a domestic/crackhouse dispute (june 2003) and just before, I round the corner where, I can see the front of the crackjoint, boom! I come around and find, the asshole standing over his dead mama, smoking gun hanging to his side pointed to the ground. The perp pretty much ignores me and slowly turns around and starts to walk down a narrow alley on the side of the house where he can get, the **** away. He ignores all orders to stop, drop the weapon, etc and keeps walkin. We both center punched the mofo when he started to walk away.

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    Re: Burglar sues men who captured him, claims rough citizens arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Speaking of shooting people in the back...

    My partner and I respond to a domestic/crackhouse dispute (june 2003) and just before, I round the corner where, I can see the front of the crackjoint, boom! I come around and find, the asshole standing over his dead mama, smoking gun hanging to his side pointed to the ground. The perp pretty much ignores me and slowly turns around and starts to walk down a narrow alley on the side of the house where he can get, the **** away. He ignores all orders to stop, drop the weapon, etc and keeps walkin. We both center punched the mofo when he started to walk away.
    Because he may have endanged someone else?
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