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    Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Iraq violence 'worst in two years' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
    At least 535 people have been killed in Iraq in the month of July, making it the country's deadliest since May 2008, according to Iraqi government figures.

    The US military on Sunday, however, took the unusual step of disupting those numbers, saying the real death toll for July stood at less than half of that.
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
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    I'd say it's past time to withdraw and admit this entire venture was a mistake.
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
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    I'd say it's past time to withdraw and admit this entire venture was a mistake.
    Yes, withdraw and let violence escalate and a terrorist regime establish itself. Maybe the should send more troops or rethink a strategy. So, because murder is high in Memphis, should we withdraw all police?
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Isnt that a bit of debate by hyberbole, digs? can you honestly compare crime in memphis to what is going on at the other side of the world in Iraq? Can't honestly say I think just a straight pullout tomorrow is an option, but your comparison is unfair and highly exaggerated.
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, withdraw and let violence escalate and a terrorist regime establish itself. Maybe the should send more troops or rethink a strategy. So, because murder is high in Memphis, should we withdraw all police?
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    We are not nation builders.
    We shouldn't be, but fighting terrorism and destroying national governments in the process requires it or face the probability that it will be worse afterwards. What would have happened had we bombed and kicked the **** out of Iraq and then just left them to recover and sort themselves out? Whatever our complaints about the people hating us now, it would be ten to hundred x worse. The leadership, that emerged would be solidly anti-American with wide popular support. We could say to them, don't support terrorists or we'll come back and do it again, but that isn't effective with that culture. That approach would only be effective if we were willing to so destroy the population and infrastructure that their only concern was whether they could scrape together enough food and sticks to last through the winter, with no economy, nothing but the barest amount of local organization and no national structure left to speak of.

    We haven't, and we won't do that. So nation building, filling the vacuum, is the only viable, long term solution in Iraq. Which is why we can't afford to abandon Iraq until a government which is at least neutral, is strong enough to control the people.

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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    Isnt that a bit of debate by hyberbole, digs? can you honestly compare crime in memphis to what is going on at the other side of the world in Iraq? Can't honestly say I think just a straight pullout tomorrow is an option, but your comparison is unfair and highly exaggerated.
    I think the logic of "the violence is at the worst level we have seen in two years, therefore we should quit" is similar to my analogy. My comparison shows the absurdity of wanting to pull out because violence is the highest it has been in two years.
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    When one is in a fight that is not one's own, sometimes the best thing to do is fall back. As was stated in the previous post, we are not nation builders. We are also not the world's police. There does, on occasion, come a time when it is best to leave others to fight their own battles. Just how long should we stay there? Till its a paradise on earth? Till all the different factions there can live together in peace and harmony? Until all the terrorists are dead? Not a single one of these scenarios is going to happen. So when is enough, enough?
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
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    I'd say it's past time to withdraw and admit this entire venture was a mistake.
    Yes! Anything to lose and then turn around and blame it on Bush.
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    Re: Iraq violence 'worst in two years'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes! Anything to lose and then turn around and blame it on Bush.
    Maybe that was part of their plan when they voted for the war.
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