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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    The Democrats are, for their part, looking for legislative achievements that they can take back to their constituents.

    The Republicans are, for their part, trying to deny them any such achievements.

    What interests me a lot more is this question: What does this legislation even do, and is it even necessary? The 9/11 responders have been 9/11 responders for, oh, almost 9 years now -- so why now?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The Democrats are, for their part, looking for legislative achievements that they can take back to their constituents.

    The Republicans are, for their part, trying to deny them any such achievements.

    What interests me a lot more is this question: What does this legislation even do, and is it even necessary? The 9/11 responders have been 9/11 responders for, oh, almost 9 years now -- so why now?
    Have you not seen the arguments made to defend voting against this bill? Democrats 'forced' this bill. Democrats want to give money to illegal immigrants. Democrats want to give too much money to the 9/11 victims. The same Republicans who pimp out the 9/11 victims everytime they want to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are now telling us that the people who risked their lives trying to save others are getting too much money. The best part about it is MrVicchio posting a link about the GOP saying that this is an entitlement program. Oh well, I guess in his xenophobic America these people don't really deserve the money.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What Rep. Weiner did with his outrage was to make it crystal clear to the American public that it is the Republicans who are against this potential popular legislation. Who could be against the 911 first responders? Silly me, the Republicans of course. The Repulicans play this game all the time.

    The Republican plan was to add a phony "poison pill" amendment that would anger Hispanics – a key Democratic constituency.
    Here's an article that sums it up:

    Rep. Anthony Weiner’s outburst on the House floor Thursday night had all the most compelling elements of political theater. The New York Democrat shouted. He pointed. He flailed. And most importantly, he castigated the opposing party.

    But Congressman Weiner’s tirade on the House floor – as well as his finger-wagging confrontation with Republican Rep. Peter King Friday on Fox News – is more than just an amusing illustration of an ill-tempered year in Washington.

    The reasons why members of Congress are so angry at each other are, in many respects, the same reasons why everyone else is so angry at Congress – an institution in which only 11 percent of Americans have confidence, according to a recent Gallup poll.

    In short, the story of Anthony Weiner and the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act is a parable of how obstruction, political brinksmanship, and an aversion to putting principle over politics – by both parties – resulted in institutional gridlock of both comic and tragic proportions.

    Make no mistake, the Zadroga Act is very popular on both sides of the aisle: It has 115 co-sponsors in the House, including 15 Republicans. The bill would set aside money to pay the health-care costs for first responders to the 9/11 attacks in New York City, many of whom deal with respiratory issues caused by the dust and debris that day.

    Yet on Thursday, only 12 Republicans voted for the bill, and it failed.

    Why?

    Politics.

    Ahead of elections, parties tend to slowly abandon actual achievement in favor of forcing the opposition to take a “poison pill” – forcing a vote that might prove to be embarrassing, and thus good campaign fodder.

    In this case, Republicans decided earlier this week to introduce an amendment to the Zadroga Act that would prevent any first responders who were illegal immigrants from collecting the health benefits.

    There had been no serious discussion previously about whether any 9/11 responders were illegal immigrants. But getting Democrats to vote in favor of benefits for any potential illegal immigrants would anger voters in conservative districts. Voting against it would anger Hispanics – a key Democratic constituency.

    Republicans wanted to set up a lose-lose situation for Democrats.

    Of course, there were also many conscientious objections to the bill by Republicans, arguing that there was already a fund for these responders and that the bill, as written, encourages waste and fraud and adds to an already enormous deficit.

    Yet the math suggested the bill, without any amendments, had more than enough votes to pass.

    So the Democrats responded in kind.

    Instead of allowing Republicans to tack on controversial and potentially damaging amendments, the majority employed a procedure to preclude any new amendments. The caveat: Now the Zadroga Act needed a two-thirds majority to pass.

    In essence, Democrats made their own “poison pill” out of the bill. The two-thirds threshold forced Republicans either to willingly eat humble pie or to oppose the bill and be open to charges that they were abandoning the heroes of 9/11.

    In the end, the Zadroga Act fell 35 votes short of the two-thirds majority, and a bill supported in all likelihood by a majority of Americans and without doubt by a majority of the House itself was defeated.

    And the shouting began.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...likes-Congress

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Have you not seen the arguments made to defend voting against this bill? Democrats 'forced' this bill. Democrats want to give money to illegal immigrants. Democrats want to give too much money to the 9/11 victims. The same Republicans who pimp out the 9/11 victims everytime they want to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are now telling us that the people who risked their lives trying to save others are getting too much money. The best part about it is MrVicchio posting a link about the GOP saying that this is an entitlement program. Oh well, I guess in his xenophobic America these people don't really deserve the money.
    No, I haven't seen them. I try to keep my intake of political malarchy to a minimum. My question is specifically with respect to what the bill actually does, and why it hasn't been done before now.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Anthony Weiner: New York Congressman Tees Off on Republicans in Tirade on House Floor



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    ....what a nice way of spitting on those who worked selflessly during 9/11.
    The 9-11 responders worked for the city, they already have the best medical insurance in the country. So the assertions that this money was to help with their medical expenses is bull****.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The Democrats are, for their part, looking for legislative achievements that they can take back to their constituents.

    The Republicans are, for their part, trying to deny them any such achievements.

    What interests me a lot more is this question: What does this legislation even do, and is it even necessary? The 9/11 responders have been 9/11 responders for, oh, almost 9 years now -- so why now?
    It's hard to even find out what's in the bill. Beyond what Bubba posted, I can't find anything. Why now? Well, I think November sure has something to do with it. As does the fact that an 11,000 constituent class action suit has just wound its way through the courts. Why is it necessary? I don't know. While I do believe we should take good care of these people, they have access to a billion or more right now -- with the class action lawsuit settlement and additional insurance coverage. All of these first responders have excellent health benefits, excellent disability coverage, were paid a ton of money for their work, and, further, Worker's Compensation is in place to assist them with any work-related injuries/illnesses. Seems to me the government ought to streamline THAT process rather than throw another $7.4 billion at the problem.

    Even as I post this, I know users will attack it. This is a very popular flag-waving Yankee Doodle bill. But the REAL question is whether or not it's necessary. Each will assess their damage this week and it'll come up for vote again, no doubt. Guess I'd agree with the article: No wonder the public's satisfaction index with Congress is 11%.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Have you not seen the arguments made to defend voting against this bill? Democrats 'forced' this bill. Democrats want to give money to illegal immigrants. Democrats want to give too much money to the 9/11 victims. The same Republicans who pimp out the 9/11 victims everytime they want to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are now telling us that the people who risked their lives trying to save others are getting too much money. The best part about it is MrVicchio posting a link about the GOP saying that this is an entitlement program. Oh well, I guess in his xenophobic America these people don't really deserve the money.
    A) The 9-11 responders already have the best medical insurance in the country if not the world so what is this bill for?

    B) Actual victims of 9-11 have already been financially compensated with appx. $3.5 million going to each civilian killed or seriously inured and $4.6 million going to each first responder killed or seriously injured.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The 9-11 responders worked for the city, they already have the best medical insurance in the country. So the assertions that this money was to help with their medical expenses is bull****.
    so, your position is that every person who was a 9/11 responder was a city employee who is eligible to use health insurance provided by the city of new york
    just wanting to clarify that so i can point out where that may not always be the circumstance, such that there are those who are without adequte health coverage, who need assistance taking care of the health problems caused by the 9/11 rescue efforts
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is a very popular flag-waving Yankee Doodle bill. But the REAL question is whether or not it's necessary.
    I'm with you on this one.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What Rep. Weiner did with his outrage was to make it crystal clear to the American public that it is the Republicans who are against this potential popular legislation. Who could be against the 911 first responders? Silly me, the Republicans of course. The Repulicans play this game all the time.

    The Republican plan was to add a phony "poison pill" amendment that would anger Hispanics – a key Democratic constituency.

    Too classic. Maybe we should bump it up to $10 billion and include "all the hungry children"? Who could be against hungry children?

    And what about all the cute puppies out there? What kind of cold hearted prick doesn't love baby dogs? Another $5 billion for the pups!!

    Who's with me here???!!! LETS DO IT FOR THE BABIES AND ALL THOSE FRIGGING PUPPIES....!!!!



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