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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "It was wrong for the overwhelming majority of Republicans to vote against the bill, and it was wrong for Democrats to bring the bill to the floor under rules that made passage so much more difficult," he said."

    That wasnt so hard, now was it...
    Apparently too hard for you

    Excerpted from “Plan to Aid 9/11 Victims Is Rejected in House” By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ, The New York Times, Published: July 29, 2010, my emphasis
    Still, many supporters of the legislation outside of Congress expressed bitter disappointment that House leaders did not allow a simple majority vote on the bill. In a statement afterward, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg expressed outrage over the outcome and criticized both parties.

    “It was wrong for the overwhelming majority of Republicans to vote against the bill,” he said, “and it was wrong for Democrats to bring the bill to the floor under rules that made passage so much more difficult.”
    If you hadn't noticed, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is not Rep. Anthony Weiner.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Simple fact...
    As far as I am concerned, you are the Andrew Breitbart of debatepolitics.com. So either provide a link for your “simple facts” or shut the **** up.

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    Kneejerk liberal idealogues...ya just gotta love em...
    Personally, I despise knee jerk ideologues, conservative, liberal and otherwise.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Chappy -- and just as much a shame AND MORE that the Dems chose to freeze out Reps. Or worse.
    Democrats didn't freeze out Republicans; they had their vote and they voted against 9-11 first responders. If Republicans were punishing Democrats they missed and struck American heroes instead.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Notice how not ONE SINGLE Lefty repeating the marching orders from their masters has responded to the FACTUAL information I have provided that refutes EACH of their points.

    The lies of Chappy, Justabubba and others ignore facts, ignore the REAL reasons the GOP acted how they did, as listed on the Gop.gov link provided. They ignore the crux of the issue because THIS is seen as a stick to hit the GOP in hopes of helping Dem prospects in Nov.

    So, carry on Chappy, Justabubba. You've shown how little facts and reality mean to you, just the emotional BS you've been told to say is what matters for you.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Your talking points boil down to this: House Republicans to 9-11 first responders, “We're not going to support your health care, so, sue us.”
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Apparently too hard for you



    If you hadn't noticed, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is not Rep. Anthony Weiner.



    As far as I am concerned, you are the Andrew Breitbart of debatepolitics.com. So either provide a link for your “simple facts” or shut the **** up.



    Personally, I despise knee jerk ideologues, conservative, liberal and otherwise.
    You ought to see someone about that self loathing thing. Because you and how many others here do it every day.

    I STILL...with all the obvious knowledge and intensive study that has enabled you and others here to be FOR passage of this legislation...have yet to see ANYONE explain how creating panels and committees and creating 7+ billion in spending is actually providing direct support for those 9/11 providers. Ive read the legislation...I dont see it. You?

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You ought to see someone about that self loathing thing. Because you and how many others here do it every day.

    I STILL...with all the obvious knowledge and intensive study that has enabled you and others here to be FOR passage of this legislation...have yet to see ANYONE explain how creating panels and committees and creating 7+ billion in spending is actually providing direct support for those 9/11 providers. Ive read the legislation...I dont see it. You?
    then you actually agree with Weiner
    his vehement condemnation of the republicans was that they did not vote down the bill because it was without merit
    the republicans were cowards, unwilling to vote it down because they actually found the bill inappropriate to the needs of the 9/11 responders
    they hid behind a parlimentary procedure to prevent its passage
    that is what sparked his over-the-top outrage
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Lawyers for the city and more than 11,000 Ground Zero rescue and cleanup workers reached a tentative settlement tonight that will give them as much as $657 million. The proposal, presented today to Manhattan federal judge Alvin Hellerstein, must be approved by 95 percent of the firefighters, cops, medics and hardhats — many of whom were sickened by working in the toxic debris. Each worker whose illness is confirmed would get a sum based on the type and severity of his or her medical problem.

    Special masters appointed by Hellerstein and lawyers for both sides have worked up "severity charts" that would grade individual conditions on a scale from zero to four — and determine the amount paid to each worker. Individual payments could run as high as $1 million, according to one lawyer.

    In addition, some would get an insurance policy to cover Ground Zero-related illnesses that have not yet developed.

    Those who claim to have physical illnesses that have not been confirmed by doctors would collect $3,200 — the minimum payment.

    People with stress related and other psychological problems would not be compensated.

    The city’s payouts would come from the WTC Captive Insurance Co., a nonprofit controlled by Mayor Bloomberg that manages $1 billion provided by Congress.

    It has already spent more than $275 million on lawyers and administrative expenses to fight claims – but made most of it back in interest and payments from private insurers.

    The approximately $350 million left after the $657 million is paid would be held to pay those whose diseases develop later.

    The deal is a major breakthrough in the complex legal wrangling that has been going on since 2004.

    But the city fund is only one pot of money the workers are going after.
    The settlement would not necessarily end their suits against the Port Authority, which has $600 million worth of insurance coverage.

    "There’s hundreds of millions more," the lawyer said. "This is just the beginning."

    The settlement plan comes as the first 12 trials of sick workers are set to begin on May 16.

    Jennifer McNamara, whose firefighter husband, John, died of cancer in August, said she would have to learn more about the terms before deciding on her vote.

    "No amount of money is going to compensate me for what I’ve been through, and no amount of money is going to bring my husband back," said McNamara.

    "My hope would be that [the settlements] would help people who are still alive and need the money to survive," said McNamara, whose son, Jack, just turned 3.

    John McNamara, of Ladder Co. 123 in Crown Heights, spent 500 hours in the rubble searching for fallen comrades.

    "I think its shameful that it took this many years, until the eve of the first trials, before they were willing to have this kind of discussion," she said.

    A disabled 9/11 responder, ex-NYPD cop Christopher Baumann, also had mixed feelings.

    "You know how many people have died waiting? There are people not taking the proper medication because they can’t afford it," the father of two said..

    Read more: City lawyers, Ground Zero rescue & cleanup reach tentative $657M agreement - NYPOST.com
    So there are about 11,000 workers involved. Approximately $350 million has already been awarded, per this article. There's another $600 million in insurance available to these workers (in lump sum payments). And Congress is looking at a bill that will add another $7.4 BILLION to the pot?

    Let's see $7,400,000,000 + $350,000,000 + $600,000,000 = $8,300,000,000 for 11,000 people = $754,500 per person. Without more information, this is just another boondoggle bill.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Okay, I just gotta throw this out there:

    With a name like Weiner, he shouldn't be in public service.

    My congressman has a first name, it's A-n-t-h-o-n-y...
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Your talking points boil down to this: House Republicans to 9-11 first responders, “We're not going to support your health care, so, sue us.”
    No, that's what you've been told to scream at everyone. The actual reasoning doesn't matter. The GOP Blocked a Dem push to spend (with economy hurting consequences) 7.4 Billion because the Dem's refused to allow any changes, amendments or discussion on the matter.

    There are all ready 3 programs to help the 911 folks, why do we need to spend this much? Why do it with no discussion? Questions you cannot ask, because you've been told NOT TOO.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    What Rep. Weiner did with his outrage was to make it crystal clear to the American public that it is the Republicans who are against this potential popular legislation. Who could be against the 911 first responders? Silly me, the Republicans of course. The Repulicans play this game all the time.

    The Republican plan was to add a phony "poison pill" amendment that would anger Hispanics – a key Democratic constituency.

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