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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Well, those who go above and beyond for this country should have the favor returned to them. I strongly believe in using federal powers to provide for those who make this nation great, but I understand the argument of the fiscal conservative. I think that's what upset Weiner and that's what upsets me about this bill being voted down -- it SHOULD have been a debate about whether or not the bill was fiscally viable and whether or not the good would outweigh potential abuses. Instead, Republicans overwhelmingly backed the bill until Democrats blocked them from pushing through partisan amendments. It was extremely childish for them to suddenly turn their backs on a bill they had supported all along.

    I'm not from New York and I'm not sure whether Weiner was upset about their behavior or the fact that the bill was going to be voted down... probably a mix of both. I respect fiscal conservatives but I would urge them to recognize the fact that when Republican congressmen do something they agree with, it's merely coincidental.
    Again...PLEASE tell me how spending 7+ billion dollars creating panels and commissions is supposed provide care to those first responders.

    I KNOW that 7 billion MORE in debt for beauracracy is just a drop in the bucket when compared to our 14 TRILLION dollar debt...but maybe...JUST maybe...if you are creating legislation with the sole intent to provide health care (apparently above and beyond what they are already getting) then the legislation should reflect that and IF that be the case...then shame on republicans for not supporting it. Until then...shame on ANYONE for blindly following idiotic ideological arguments.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    WHy on earth didnt the dems with their majority pass the resolution? What did the dems do (or stuff into) to the legislation that made it so unpalatable? .
    I haven't seen much on the story, but my understanding is that it contained some pork that Republicans didn't want to pass.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    At the end of the day, 9-11 first responders are left without health care and Republicans are the ones who voted it down.
    This is an overly simplistic view that ignores the reality of the situation.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

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    This is an overly simplistic view that ignores the reality of the situation.
    ok, what was missed?
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Sort of an annoying sidebar here. But was there anything in the bill that addressed how this benefit was going to get paid for? Issue applies to both parties. Seven billion is seven thousand million dollars. That is a lot of money that either comes from existing revenues or just add to the actions of an out of control group of crazed check writers.

    It has been nine years since the 9/11 event. If this really is a needed bill to cover overlooked needs of a group of heroes, shouldn't they (Congress) be able to find some lesser value program to acquire the funds from?


    (There i go again, talking crazy.....)



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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Sort of an annoying sidebar here. But was there anything in the bill that addressed how this benefit was going to get paid for? Issue applies to both parties. Seven billion is seven thousand million dollars. That is a lot of money that either comes from existing revenues or just add to the actions of an out of control group of crazed check writers.

    It has been nine years since the 9/11 event. If this really is a needed bill to cover overlooked needs of a group of heroes, shouldn't they (Congress) be able to find some lesser value program to acquire the funds from?


    (There i go again, talking crazy.....)



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    eliminate some of the corporate subsidies and use those monies for the healthcare of the 911 rescuers ... assuming your support of the measure compels taking those monies from another federal budget line item
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    didn't realize you had a difficult time finding out what is contained within the bil. here is a summary
    (1) medical monitoring and treatment benefits to eligible emergency responders and recovery and cleanup workers who responded to the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001; and
    (2) initial health evaluation, monitoring, and treatment benefits to residents and other building occupants and area workers who were directly impacted and adversely affected by such attacks. Requires the WTC program administrator to:
    (1) implement a quality assurance program;
    (2) establish the WTC Health Program Scientific/Technical Advisory Committee;
    (3) establish the WTC Responders Steering Committee and the WTC Community Program Steering Committee;
    (4) provide for education and outreach on services under the WTC program;
    (5) provide for the uniform collection of data related to WTC-related health conditions;
    (6) conduct research on physical and mental health conditions that may be related to the September 11 terrorist attacks; and
    (7) extend and expand arrangements with the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene to provide for the World Trade Center Health Registry. Authorizes the administrator to make grants to the Department to address mental health needs relating to the terrorist attacks.Amends the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act to:
    (1) make individuals eligible for compensation under the September 11 Victim Compensation Fund of 2001 for harm as a result of debris removal; and
    (2) extend the deadline for making a claim for compensation.

    nothing there that troubles me, as i do think we should FINALLY help those 9/11 rescuers who are facing multiple health problems. many were falsely told that the area was not hazardous to work in and they thus exposed their health to harm by believing rudy julieannie's people. the government is culpable

    but the GOP wanted to take a straight forward bill and introduce an amendment which would say any illegal alien who was a 9/11 rescuer would be denied access to the provisions of the bill
    that was a transparent attempt by the GOP to portray the dems as a party willing to sell out the hispanic copmmunity like the GOP is inclined to do
    the dems did not bite
    but to avoid the amendment they imposed a rule which required a two thirds vote for passage .... as you will see in the video below, 94% of the dems voted for helping the 9/11 rescurers ... the republicans, not so much
    but don't take my word for it, see king, the minority whip, get his ass handed to him by Weiner:
    New York Dem on rampage after GOP blocks help for 9/11 heroes | Raw Story
    Thanks for posting this. Frankly, it's of no interest to me. I agree with another poster. Far too vague. These people have excellent health benefits, excellent disability. $7 billion1 Don't care if it passes or not. 'Course there'll be some PC political fallout. Who cares if Weiner handed the minority whip his ass? The Demos engineered this so that the Reps would have no input. Their bluff was called. Again, too bad so sad.

    Justa said: i am delighted to learn you feel this way
    but that does not explain your opposition to the bill while failing to know what was contained within it.
    Neither did you 'til you looked it up.

    And Thanks to Mr. Vicchio for "the REST of the story."

    Chappy -- and just as much a shame AND MORE that the Dems chose to freeze out Reps. Or worse.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    eliminate some of the corporate subsidies and use those monies for the healthcare of the 911 rescuers ... assuming your support of the measure compels taking those monies from another federal budget line item
    Works for me. Any record/links that the sponsors of the bill have proposed such a suggestion?

    Or is this just a politically driven altruistic proposal that has no funding and just writes another check on an empty Federal bank account...??



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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Or is this just a politically driven altruistic proposal that has no funding and just writes another check on an empty Federal bank account...??.
    Bingo!
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Works for me. Any record/links that the sponsors of the bill have proposed such a suggestion?

    Or is this just a politically driven altruistic proposal that has no funding and just writes another check on an empty Federal bank account...??



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    we have the best government money can buy
    so they write a check and print some money
    SOP

    but that in no way negates the legitimacy of the need of those 9/111 responders being in need to significant health care because of their service to our nation
    not funding this would be little different than refusing to fund the VA medical centers
    the GOP is an embarrassment to our nation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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