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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "At the heart of the debate was a procedural maneuver made by Democrats to suspend the rules before consideration of the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act. The move allowed leadership to block potential GOP amendments to the measure (there was worry that Republicans would attach something overtly partisan in hopes that it could pass on the otherwise widely-popular measure). It also meant that the party needed a two-thirds majority vote." Anthony Weiner Goes Ballistic At GOP For Killing 9/11 Responders Health Care Bill (VIDEO)

    Their decision to suspend the rules and not allow some Republican input/amendments backfired. Too bad. So sad. Why would anyone blame the Republicans? Are we sure the "gentleman" isn't named Whiner?

    What's in this bill?? Nobody's discussing its contents. Another one of those PC bills that cost taxpayers billions?
    This is called Democratic Washington transparency.
    In other words so transparent it is opaque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You obviously don't know what's in the bill. I can't find what's in it either. So much for the Party of Transparency, yes? Why is it germane? Well, huh!! How 'bout before you Yankee Doodle Dandy the name of the BILL you actually know what's in it that didn't pass?? Hellooooooo.
    didn't realize you had a difficult time finding out what is contained within the bil. here is a summary
    (1) medical monitoring and treatment benefits to eligible emergency responders and recovery and cleanup workers who responded to the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001; and
    (2) initial health evaluation, monitoring, and treatment benefits to residents and other building occupants and area workers who were directly impacted and adversely affected by such attacks. Requires the WTC program administrator to:
    (1) implement a quality assurance program;
    (2) establish the WTC Health Program Scientific/Technical Advisory Committee;
    (3) establish the WTC Responders Steering Committee and the WTC Community Program Steering Committee;
    (4) provide for education and outreach on services under the WTC program;
    (5) provide for the uniform collection of data related to WTC-related health conditions;
    (6) conduct research on physical and mental health conditions that may be related to the September 11 terrorist attacks; and
    (7) extend and expand arrangements with the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene to provide for the World Trade Center Health Registry. Authorizes the administrator to make grants to the Department to address mental health needs relating to the terrorist attacks.Amends the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act to:
    (1) make individuals eligible for compensation under the September 11 Victim Compensation Fund of 2001 for harm as a result of debris removal; and
    (2) extend the deadline for making a claim for compensation.

    nothing there that troubles me, as i do think we should FINALLY help those 9/11 rescuers who are facing multiple health problems. many were falsely told that the area was not hazardous to work in and they thus exposed their health to harm by believing rudy julieannie's people. the government is culpable

    but the GOP wanted to take a straight forward bill and introduce an amendment which would say any illegal alien who was a 9/11 rescuer would be denied access to the provisions of the bill
    that was a transparent attempt by the GOP to portray the dems as a party willing to sell out the hispanic copmmunity like the GOP is inclined to do
    the dems did not bite
    but to avoid the amendment they imposed a rule which required a two thirds vote for passage .... as you will see in the video below, 94% of the dems voted for helping the 9/11 rescurers ... the republicans, not so much
    but don't take my word for it, see king, the minority whip, get his ass handed to him by Weiner:
    New York Dem on rampage after GOP blocks help for 9/11 heroes | Raw Story
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you still haven't indicated why that is germane to this discussion
    Unless one knows EXACTLY what is in any particular Bill, how can anyone be asked (in a supposedly democratic chamber) to vote for the Bill?
    As well as any and all amendments added to the Bill.
    Or would you prefer the Communist system where a motion is put forward and all the (elected) members then have to vote for it.
    Naturally there are people making note of anyone who does not vote for the motion.
    The non voters are removed from the chamber and taken away to be questioned by KGB or FSB secret police, after which they are shot.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Unless one knows EXACTLY what is in any particular Bill, how can anyone be asked (in a supposedly democratic chamber) to vote for the Bill?
    As well as any and all amendments added to the Bill.
    Or would you prefer the Communist system where a motion is put forward and all the (elected) members then have to vote for it.
    Naturally there are people making note of anyone who does not vote for the motion.
    The non voters are removed from the chamber and taken away to be questioned by KGB or FSB secret police, after which they are shot.
    i am delighted to learn you feel this way
    but that does not explain your opposition to the bill while failing to know what was contained within it
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    I had to dig through a few pages of Democrat talking points to get something from the GOP side of this issue. Not the fake outrage being pushed by the MSM with disgusting vindictiveness.

    And it’s all paid for by closing a tax loophole on foreign companies with U.S. subsidiaries, Democrats said.

    But according to Republicans, it’s a job-killing growth of government that wou;d create a new entitlement and waste taxpayer dollars.

    The bill, if passed, would reopen the Victims Compensation Fund until 2031 — instead of litigation, victims could try to get money from the fund. Republicans are calling the extension “well beyond what is needed to take care of latent claims,” according to a policy statement from the GOP.

    “Republicans continue to believe that those who responded to the [World Trade Center] attack should get the treatment and liability protection they need because they dutifully answered a call for help,” the policy statement reads.

    But this bill, according to Republicans, “creates a massive new entitlement program, exposes taxpayers to increased litigation and is ‘paid for’ with tax increases and potential job losses.”
    House GOP leaders: 9/11 first responders aid bill 'a massive new entitlement program' - On Congress - POLITICO.com


    http://www.gop.gov/bill/111/2/hr847

    Official GOP Stance on the issue, and makes a much different case then the BS we see spun here.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    (1) medical monitoring and treatment benefits to eligible emergency responders and recovery and cleanup workers who responded to the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001; and
    (2) initial health evaluation, monitoring, and treatment benefits to residents and other building occupants and area workers who were directly impacted and adversely affected by such attacks. Requires the WTC program administrator to:
    (1) implement a quality assurance program;
    (2) establish the WTC Health Program Scientific/Technical Advisory Committee;
    (3) establish the WTC Responders Steering Committee and the WTC Community Program Steering Committee;
    (4) provide for education and outreach on services under the WTC program;
    (5) provide for the uniform collection of data related to WTC-related health conditions;
    (6) conduct research on physical and mental health conditions that may be related to the September 11 terrorist attacks; and
    (7) extend and expand arrangements with the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene to provide for the World Trade Center Health Registry. Authorizes the administrator to make grants to the Department to address mental health needs relating to the terrorist attacks.Amends the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act to:
    (1) make individuals eligible for compensation under the September 11 Victim Compensation Fund of 2001 for harm as a result of debris removal; and
    (2) extend the deadline for making a claim for compensation.

    nothing there that troubles me, as i do think we should FINALLY help those 9/11 rescuers who are facing multiple health problems. many were falsely told that the area was not hazardous to work in and they thus exposed their health to harm by believing rudy julieannie's people. the government is culpable

    but the GOP wanted to take a straight forward bill and introduce an amendment which would say any illegal alien who was a 9/11 rescuer would be denied access to the provisions of the bill
    that was a transparent attempt by the GOP to portray the dems as a party willing to sell out the hispanic copmmunity like the GOP is inclined to do
    the dems did not bite
    but to avoid the amendment they imposed a rule which required a two thirds vote for passage .... as you will see in the video below, 94% of the dems voted for helping the 9/11 rescurers ... the republicans, not so much
    but don't take my word for it, see king, the minority whip, get his ass handed to him by Weiner:
    New York Dem on rampage after GOP blocks help for 9/11 heroes | Raw Story
    I have a problem with all of that. Those provisions are so vague, that this $7.4 billion bucks will get wasted in a huge way.

    (1) medical monitoring and treatment benefits to eligible emergency responders and recovery and cleanup workers who responded to the World Trade Center terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001
    Take this one for example. How in hell do you verify that a person was actually at ground zero during the specified time period?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I have a problem with all of that. Those provisions are so vague, that this $7.4 billion bucks will get wasted in a huge way.


    Take this one for example. How in hell do you verify that a person was actually at ground zero during the specified time period?
    by their paycheck stubs
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    by their paycheck stubs
    And, if they don't have check stubs from two years ago, they're **** outta luck?

    What's going to happen when some guy, who worked for Joe's Meat House--where the meat's cheap--in Linden, NJ and just happened to be near Ground Zero and volunteered to help shows up with a cough, wanting some of this 7 billion?

    I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why these folks aren't going to be covered under the brand new, wonderful Obamacare.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Suspending the rules normally is used to quickly pass non-controversial bills; you know, like paying for health care for 9-11 first responders.

    The procedure normally works except when only eleven Republicans stand up and support the heroes who rushed to aid Americans on the worse day in our nation's recent history. It is shameful that so few Republicans were willing to support them.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Suspending the rules normally is used to quickly pass non-controversial bills; you know, like paying for health care for 9-11 first responders.

    The procedure normally works except when only eleven Republicans stand up and support the heroes who rushed to aid Americans on the worse day in our nation's recent history. It is shameful that so few Republicans were willing to support them.
    First things first, the reason why Republicans were against this bill was because it would increase taxes just to fund this new program. I mean why the heck do we need to make a new entitlement program when we got that monster HealthCare Bill that was passed already. And any form of taxes is never a good idea during a recovery from a recession. That will just stall the recovery. It's like having a blackout, then as soon as the power comes back on, people start turning on all their A/C and electronics, it's just gonna cause another blackout. I am for helping those at the WTC during 9/11, but this is not the right way. Should we ignore common sense because we follow our emotions? I hope not....
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
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