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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks, and I get yours too.

    If I had to break it down JUST to emotion, I'd agree with you. But to me, it goes beyond simple emotion and the "fairness" of giving it to them infringes of "fairness" on others. I don't necessarily think its "wrong" if they get it, and it alone probably wouldn't stop me from voting in favor of something like this...but I can understand on principle disagreeing with this.

    Now, with that said, I think most of those in congress did what they did not off of principle but off of political strategy
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    WHy on earth didnt the dems with their majority pass the resolution? What did the dems do (or stuff into) to the legislation that made it so unpalatable? If this was 'just legislation to make it easier for 9/11 responders to get help then it has merit and probably should have been passed. But Im guessing NOTHING in congress is ever as black and white, cut and dried as these snippets make it appear. Didnt a republican co-sponser the bill?

    Weener...what a class act. That kind of rant is effective in a bar...in congress it makes him look like an asshole on a tirade. Which...yeah...thats what it was...
    Actually, vance, the story going around the cable channels is that the dems wouldn't allow the repubs to cram their unpalatable pork into the bill and that's why the repubs, yet again, said no. It's disgusting how our politicians act in D.C. Both sides.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    Actually it is funded. I could not find the actual text in the bill but here is the CBO report.




    Congressional Budget Office - Cost Estimates
    Yeah, and this way we get to pay for thousands of people that were in the dust for at least 4 days and large cororations will pay for it. How could this get any better, we buy votes with other peoples money.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, the Democrats are showing their love for illegal immigrants so much that they were willing to ditch the 9/11 responders on the side of the road to show illegals that the Dems support them...

    Of course, this is just another example of how the Dems want it their way or the highway, enacting procedures in an effort to prevent ANY INPUT at all from Republicans. SOP for the Dems... we all know that...
    Yes, we remember the health care deal.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    I think it's shameful that this bill was not passed, but I cannot blame only the Republicans for doing it. Democrats hold the majority, and could have shot down every single dishonest Republican amendment, if they wanted to. The DEMOCRATS chose to suspend the rules, thus making passage impossible. Now they are going to tell the world that Republicans don't give a damn about the first responders. OK, so the Republicans don't care. What's new about that? The Democrats got this bill shot down for the express purpose of using political ammunition against the GOP, which is disgusting. Say what you want about the Republicans, but it is the Democrats who chose to manipulate the victims of 911 for political purposes, and this makes me want to puke.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think it's shameful that this bill was not passed, but I cannot blame only the Republicans for doing it. Democrats hold the majority, and could have shot down every single dishonest Republican amendment, if they wanted to. The DEMOCRATS chose to suspend the rules, thus making passage impossible. Now they are going to tell the world that Republicans don't give a damn about the first responders. OK, so the Republicans don't care. What's new about that? The Democrats got this bill shot down for the express purpose of using political ammunition against the GOP, which is disgusting. Say what you want about the Republicans, but it is the Democrats who chose to manipulate the victims of 911 for political purposes, and this makes me want to puke.
    Everybody keeps saying this money was to pay for first responders, but that's not entirely correct. Based on what I've read, it would pay for anyone that "claimed" to be damaged by 9/11, NOT just first responders. I'm not saying they shouldn't be helped, but seems to me they would have been helped by the health care reforms taking affect in a couple of years. Any money now should only pay for interim expenses.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Everybody keeps saying this money was to pay for first responders, but that's not entirely correct. Based on what I've read, it would pay for anyone that "claimed" to be damaged by 9/11, NOT just first responders. I'm not saying they shouldn't be helped, but seems to me they would have been helped by the health care reforms taking affect in a couple of years. Any money now should only pay for interim expenses.
    It is not just claimed. They need to be certified to be suffering from a condition listed in the bill that is a result of exposure.

    The payment piece is covered in this section. It seems that they are not looking to give anyone extra money but to cover anything not already covered.

    PART 3--PAYOR PROVISIONS

    `SEC. 3331. PAYMENT OF CLAIMS.

    `(a) In General- Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c), the cost of monitoring and treatment benefits and initial health evaluation benefits provided under parts 1 and 2 of this subtitle shall be paid for by the WTC Program from the World Trade Center Health Program Fund.

    `(b) Workers' Compensation Payment-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- Subject to paragraph (2), payment for treatment under parts 1 and 2 of this subtitle of a WTC-related health condition of an individual that is work-related shall be reduced or recouped to the extent that the WTC Program Administrator determines that payment has been made, or can reasonably be expected to be made, under a workers' compensation law or plan of the United States, a State, or a locality, or other work-related injury or illness benefit plan of the employer of such individual, for such treatment. The provisions of clauses (iii), (iv), (v), and (vi) of paragraph (2)(B) of section 1862(b) of the Social Security Act and paragraphs (3) and (4) of such section shall apply to the recoupment under this subsection of a payment to the WTC Program (with respect to a workers' compensation law or plan, or other work-related injury or illness plan of the employer involved, and such individual) in the same manner as such provisions apply to the reimbursement of a payment under section 1862(b)(2) of such Act to the Secretary (with respect to such a law or plan and an individual entitled to benefits under title XVIII of such Act) except that any reference in such paragraph (4) to payment rates under title XVIII of the Social Security Act shall be deemed a reference to payment rates under this title.

    `(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply for any quarter, with respect to any workers' compensation law or plan, including line of duty compensation, to which New York City is obligated to make payments, if, in accordance with terms specified under the contract under subsection (d)(1)(A), New York City has made the full payment required under such contract for such quarter.

    `(3) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION- Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect, modify, or relieve any obligations under a worker's compensation law or plan, other work-related injury or illness benefit plan of an employer, or any health insurance plan.

    `(c) Health Insurance Coverage-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- In the case of an individual who has a WTC-related health condition that is not work-related and has health coverage for such condition through any public or private health plan (including health benefits under title XVIII, XIX, or XXI of the Social Security Act) the provisions of section 1862(b) of the Social Security Act shall apply to such a health plan and such individual in the same manner as they apply to group health plan and an individual entitled to benefits under title XVIII of such Act pursuant to section 226(a) of such Act.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    /facepalm



    Dems wanted a supermajority because they were afraid that illegals were to be excluded by amendments.

    Dems wanted a fund that was not reviewed every year.

    Dems wanted to do this with a super majority so that they did not have to answer to the people.


    This was politics on the democrat side. King is a supporter of this bill weiner was a non player.
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