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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Too classic. Maybe we should bump it up to $10 billion and include "all the hungry children"? Who could be against hungry children?

    And what about all the cute puppies out there? What kind of cold hearted prick doesn't love baby dogs? Another $5 billion for the pups!!

    Who's with me here???!!! LETS DO IT FOR THE BABIES AND ALL THOSE FRIGGING PUPPIES....!!!!



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    You left out the Kittens you cold hearted bastard. What would Jebus say?

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    This bill only goes to aid first responders, which first responders were not working for the city?
    Not correct.

    From the bill.

    SEC. 3021. IDENTIFICATION AND INITIAL HEALTH EVALUATION OF ELIGIBLE WTC COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

    `(a) Eligible WTC Community Member Defined-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- In this title, the term `eligible WTC community member' means, subject to paragraphs (3) and (5), an individual who claims symptoms of a WTC-related health condition and is described in any of the following subparagraphs:

    `(A) CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED COMMUNITY MEMBER- An individual, including an eligible WTC responder, who has been identified as eligible for medical treatment or monitoring by the WTC Environmental Health Center as of the date of enactment of this title.

    `(B) COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO MEETS CURRENT ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- An individual who is not an eligible WTC responder and meets any of the current eligibility criteria described in a subparagraph of paragraph (2).

    `(C) COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO MEETS MODIFIED ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- An individual who is not an eligible WTC responder and meets such eligibility criteria relating to exposure to airborne toxins, other hazards, or adverse conditions resulting from the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center as the WTC Administrator determines eligible, after consultation with the WTC Community Program Steering Committee, Coordinating Centers of Excellence described in section 3006(b)(1)(C), and the WTC Scientific/Technical Advisory Committee.

    The Administrator shall not modify such criteria under subparagraph (C) on or after the date that the number of certifications for eligible community members has reached 80 percent of the limit described in paragraph (5) or on or after the date that the number of certifications for eligible responders has reached 80 percent of the limit described in section 3021(a)(5).

    `(2) CURRENT ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- The eligibility criteria described in this paragraph for an individual are that the individual is described in any of the following subparagraphs:

    `(A) A person who was present in the New York City disaster area in the dust or dust cloud on September 11, 2001.

    `(B) A person who worked, resided or attended school, child care or adult day care in the New York City disaster area for--

    `(i) at least four days during the 4-month period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on January 10, 2002; or

    `(ii) at least 30 days during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002.

    `(C) Any person who worked as a clean-up worker or performed maintenance work in the New York City disaster area during the 4-month period described in subparagraph (B)(i) and had extensive exposure to WTC dust as a result of such work.

    `(D) A person who was deemed eligible to receive a grant from the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation Residential Grant Program, who possessed a lease for a residence or purchased a residence in the New York City disaster area, and who resided in such residence during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on May 31, 2003.

    `(E) A person whose place of employment--

    `(i) at any time during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on May 31, 2003, was in the New York City disaster area; and

    `(ii) was deemed eligible to receive a grant from the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation WTC Small Firms Attraction and Retention Act program or other government incentive program designed to revitalize the Lower Manhattan economy after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.
    Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    Not correct.


    Interesting point. Have only read a couple of sections. But it appears that anyone/everyone that lived within miles of ground zero is a candidate for compensation.

    If this bill eventually passes, it would be fascinating to see how the payouts are managed and monitored.

    ....$7,000,000,000. Unfunded by Congress. Nine years after the WTC attack. But the bill/title and Weinerspeak seems to be all about First Responders.

    Devil is always in those pesky details.....



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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You left out the Kittens you cold hearted bastard. What would Jebus say?
    Those are baby cats, right? I hate cats....



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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Interesting point. Have only read a couple of sections. But it appears that anyone/everyone that lived within miles of ground zero is a candidate for compensation.

    If this bill eventually passes, it would be fascinating to see how the payouts are managed and monitored.

    ....$7,000,000,000. Unfunded by Congress. Nine years after the WTC attack. But the bill/title and Weinerspeak seems to be all about First Responders.

    Devil is always in those pesky details.....



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    here are some estimates of those who will qualify for assistance
    ... The number of workers that have registered with area hospitals' Ground Zero programs has reached 37,000. With about 500 new workers registering each month, the institute estimated that the number of registrants could reach 65,000 in two years. ...
    Health effects arising from the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Interesting point. Have only read a couple of sections. But it appears that anyone/everyone that lived within miles of ground zero is a candidate for compensation.

    If this bill eventually passes, it would be fascinating to see how the payouts are managed and monitored.

    ....$7,000,000,000. Unfunded by Congress. Nine years after the WTC attack. But the bill/title and Weinerspeak seems to be all about First Responders.

    Devil is always in those pesky details.....
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    Actually it is funded. I could not find the actual text in the bill but here is the CBO report.

    Title III would change tax provisions that in some cases allow a U.S.
    subsidiary of a foreign corporation to avoid U.S. withholding tax on
    payments to a related subsidiary in a country that has a tax treaty with the
    United States. Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimate that the
    change would increase revenues by about $7.4 billion over the 2011-2020
    period. In addition, the legislation would shift about $1.8 billion in
    revenues from 2016 to 2015 by temporarily changing the required amounts
    of quarterly estimated tax payments of large corporations.

    Congressional Budget Office - Cost Estimates

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    Actually it is funded. I could not find the actual text in the bill but here is the CBO report.




    Congressional Budget Office - Cost Estimates
    That would be good news. Funding is nice (if it actually happens)

    Am not that familiar with reading through a congressional bill. Do you know where the section is that actually breaks down the $7,000,000,000? With a sum of that amount would guess/hope/pray there is some specific accounting of just how they arrived at that number....


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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Have you not seen the arguments made to defend voting against this bill? Democrats 'forced' this bill. Democrats want to give money to illegal immigrants. Democrats want to give too much money to the 9/11 victims. The same Republicans who pimp out the 9/11 victims everytime they want to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are now telling us that the people who risked their lives trying to save others are getting too much money. The best part about it is MrVicchio posting a link about the GOP saying that this is an entitlement program. Oh well, I guess in his xenophobic America these people don't really deserve the money.
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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You can keep on repeating that but it doesn't answer the question why Republicans were attempting to attach a poison pill to a bill popular on both sides of the aisle. Try to blame Democrats all you want, but it was Republicans who derailed this effort to aid 9-11 first responders.
    Republicans tried to attach something for the same reason the Democrats shut down attachments on the gamble that the Republicans wouldn't dare oppose the bill -- both sides are so busy trying to blow their load in the other's face that their actual duties are being forgotten in the fray.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Rep. Weiner Wigs Out on Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no surprise, you guessed wrong again

    the change was because the GOP insisted on using the bill for political advantage, by introducing an amendment which would deny any authorized funds for illegal aliens
    to avoid that political detour, the demos had to engage another process requiring a super majority
    94% of the demos voted to approve funding for the health care of the 9/11 responders
    only 12 republicans supported the measure - causing it to fail

    btw, this has been posted previously, but from your reply it was apparent you chose not to read it
    So, the Democrats are showing their love for illegal immigrants so much that they were willing to ditch the 9/11 responders on the side of the road to show illegals that the Dems support them...

    Of course, this is just another example of how the Dems want it their way or the highway, enacting procedures in an effort to prevent ANY INPUT at all from Republicans. SOP for the Dems... we all know that...
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