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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    They committed suicide in prison. They did not do so in carrying out a terrorist attack.
    you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
    changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
    the original suicide bombers
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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
    changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
    the original suicide bombers
    So they weren't suicide bombers, thanks for letting us know.
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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
    changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
    the original suicide bombers
    A plan is not the same thing as an actual suicide attack.

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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
    our founding fathers, that exhalted group who fought for and won America's freedom from an oppressive enemy, would have been viewed as terrorists - IF they had not prevailed
    it was this collection of "terrorists" who crafted our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, which is why i have to scoff at seeing such nonsense as "... they don't know how to govern like civilized people ... that will lead to a government that harbors and encourages terrorist activities ..."
    I'm confused...

    Where did the Founding Father's advocate attacking civilians, or firing randomly into populations without a care for who it hit as long as it caused political change, or called for the destruction or death of the entirity of the British?

    You know, because you're ignorantly attempting to compare the Founding Father's to Hamas in the same way people compare Obama to Hitler, I was just wondering if you could clear those issues up.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you appear not to know of their plan to bomb the jailers
    changed at the last minute due to the intervention of a rabbi
    the original suicide bombers
    People have to actually DO something for it to be done.

    At the very least you'd have an argument if they were caught planning to do it before hand and stopped by force.

    They thought of doing something, and after advise and guidance decided against it.

    Thus they were not suicide bombers.

    Unless you're suggesting that the first person ever to even THEORIZE about the notion of doing suicide bombing is the "first suicide bombers" in which ase your claim is completely unfounded as one would have to have been able to read the minds of all people throughout history to discover who had even invisioned or thought to do such a thing but...like these two...never performed it.

    And still waiting for you to back up your absolute bull**** attempt at equating the Founding Fathers to Hamas. I do hope we never see you hypocritically complaining at some point about people comparing Obama to Hitler when you do the same kind of action.

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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Here it comes...



    Yeah, but you know what they say -- One Man's really idiotic platitude is another man's attempt at justifying terrorism through the use of false moral equivalencies.
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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yeah, but you know what they say -- One Man's really idiotic platitude is another man's attempt at justifying terrorism through the use of false moral equivalencies.

    I love it how liberals throw out statements like that, then refuse to back it up or retract when they are blown out of the water. So far bubba has been directly asked at least three times to further back up his ridiculous claim, or should I say flame, once even by a Mod, and very fair person, and nothing..


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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Not to mention, for the King David "Massacre" the Irgun gave plenty of warning, and to my understanding every "target" hit by them was a legitimate military or establishment target.


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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    His sentiment about one man's terrorist being another man's freedom fighter was accurate. Although the founding fathers comparison is not accurate. Hamas and its supporters believe themselves to be freedom fighters.

    Of course, Hamas being the types to deliberately kill civilians, I do like the "shoot them in the face" plan. Airstrikes will do.
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    Re: Israeli airstrike kills senior Hamas rocket maker

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That's a baseless and completely inaccurate assessment.

    First, there is totally no comparison between the tactics of the Palestinian terrorists and those of the Continental Army during American Revolution. At no time did those who launched or carried out the American Revolution call for attacks on civilians. If one examines George Washington's Papers, one finds exactly the opposite of what Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups have sanctioned and carried out. Furthermore, Washington expressed anger when there were reports of abuses.

    For example, here is General George Washington's September 4, 1777 general orders with respect to an incident where some abuses had been reported:

    Notwithstanding all the cautions, the earnest requests, and the positive orders of the Commander in Chief, to prevent our own army from plundering our own friends and fellow citizens, yet to his astonishment and grief, fresh complaints are made to him, that so wicked, infamous and cruel a practice is still continued, and that too in circumstances most distressing; where the wretched inhabitants, dreading the enemy's vengeance for their adherence to our cause, have left all, and fled to us for refuge! We complain of the cruelty and barbarity of our enemies; but does it equal ours? They sometimes spare the property of their friends: But some amongst us, beyond expression barbarous, rob even them! Why did we assemble in arms? Was it not, in one capital point, to protect the property of our countrymen? And shall we to our eternal reproach, be the first to pillage and destroy? Will no motives of humanity, of zeal, interest and of honor, restrain the violence of the soldiers, or induce officers to keep so strict a watch over the ill-disposed, as effectually to prevent the execution of their evil designs, and the gratification of their savage inclinations? Or, if these powerful motives are too weak, will they pay no regard to their own safety? How many noble designs have miscarried, how many victories been lost, how many armies ruined, by an indulgence of soldiers in plundering? If officers in the least connive at such practices, the licentiousness of some soldiers will soon be without bounds: In the most critical moments, instead of attending to their duty, they will be scattered abroad, indiscriminately plundering friends and foes; and if no worse consequences ensue, many of them must infallibly fall a prey to the enemy. For these reasons, the Commander in Chief requires, that these orders be distinctly read to all the troops; and that officers of every rank, take particular pains, to convince the men, of the baseness, and fatal tendency of the practices complained of; and that their own safety depends on a contrary conduct, and an exact observance of order and discipline; at the same time the Commander in Chief most solemnly assures all, that he will have no mercy on offenders against these orders; their lives shall pay the forfeit of their crimes. Pity, under such circumstances, would be the height of cruelty.

    In addition, here is the relevant portion of General Washington's October 11, 1778 instructions to Bartholomew von Heer:

    ...you will always remember that you are as carefully to avoid laying innocent free Citizens under any unnecessary restraint and inconvenience, on the one hand, as risking any mischief to the Army from ill-placed lenity on the other.

    Source: George Washington's Papers: 1741-1799

    In addition, if one compares the Hamas Charter and the U.S. Declaration of Independence, there is no similarity. The former seeks Israel's elimination. The latter sought only independence for the British colonies, not Britain's elimination.
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