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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    Breaking a law is as simple as going a few miles over the speed limit, or spitting on the sidewalk, my friend.
    Yeah, life is a bitch, ain't it?

    So, if someone is a real citizen, they should obey the law.

    By LAW, all persons operating a motor vehicle are REQUIRED to have their operator's license with them.

    The job is NOT the job of local law enforcement.
    It is in Arizona.

    They are NOT immigration, and it is not their job.
    It is in Arizona. Try reading the Constitution some time. The Constitution does not define what the job of the local yokels are, that's a matter for each state to decide.

    As for the jobs. You really think its a major issue if our 15 year olds cant find jobs?
    Ummm.....


    .....YES.

    Duh.

    The 15 year old certainly thinks so. So does their parent, who might be needing something to teach the kid some responsiblity or some means of keeping him out of a gang. Oh, hell, just getting him something to do. If the Invaders are taking jobs from American youth, they're still here ILLEGALLY.

    So, it's a big issue.

    and for the record they can ALWAYS find work. Any teenager can find a job.
    Really?

    So you're saying that my claim of teen-age unemployment is false?

    There are always minimum wage jobs out there.
    Really?

    Left-wing Time Magazinedisagrees:
    The job market is tough for everyone. But this recession has become a jobs disaster for 16-to-19-year-olds. "The numbers are incredible," says Andrew Sum, head of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University and a nationally recognized expert on teen employment. "Proportionally, more kids have lost jobs in the past few years than the entire country lost in the Great Depression."
    Arizona should not sit back and be "raped".
    Oh, so you agree that Arizona should fight back against the hordes of criminal invaders, and that, since SB1070 is both Constitutional and unbiased, that it's the correct thing for all states to do.

    Good for you.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    It is amazing how many people still have that "innocent people never have anything to worry about" mentality.
    What's more amazing is the assumption by many that the criminal should be ignored.

    Do you people ever pay any attention to what is going on around you?
    Yes.

    That's why the sane people support Arizona's efforts to protect it's citizens.

    Naturally, the most common target of the criminal invaders of Arizona are the Americans of hispanic descent who live in the hispanic neighborhoods the criminal invaders are infesting.

    Clearly, according to you, those people aren't important and shouldn't be protected by Arizona.

    Only a fool says that any given law won't cause some harm to the innocent.

    Then again, maybe I'm aware of the purpose of juries? I might be, you never can tell.


    You do not see the injustices that can and do occur?
    I certainly do.

    Arizona Rancher Murdered by Invaders

    That's an injustice that needs redress.

    That's an injustice that can't be ignored.

    Your friends are murdering Americans.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
    Last edited by Vic Mango; 08-01-10 at 07:54 PM.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
    How is Arizona checking to see if you are here legally and have any warrants out for your arrest after you have been pulled over for some traffic offense a violation of your rights?
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just can’t ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We won’t let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
    Hey, Vic.

    Could you point out the segment in this law (sb1070) that proves your claim?

    Your claim that the AZ law targets Hispanics specifically?

    And, now, your claim that this AZ law will treat you and your kid(s) as “second class citizens”.

    I do not recall (as of last time I read the thing) any such indications, but perhaps I missed something.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    What if I hand the officer an out of state drivers liscence? It is more complicated than that. The only people who are trained and have the proper tools and databases are federal immigration officers. I think the democrates should use the same tactics as the republicans did during the bush administration, but some democratic congresspeople are wussies. Its clear that both sides of this issue want something done AND NOW.
    Wrong. did you know ICE has a training program for local LE? Evidently not. did you know ICE wants information on anyone arrested to see if they are illegal. This based on a federal law passed a couple years ago. Problem is many cities like SF, won't comply.
    You proved my point if Congress won't act. States will.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    This lame argument again?

    When every summer we hear reports about how the nation's youth can't find jobs? You think maybe there might be a connection between illegal invaders holding down work 15 year olds might want and the inability of 15 year old Americans to find suitable work?

    Then, of course, there's always the point that it's wrong to say there's jobs Americans won't do.

    Raise the wages offered, and eventually some American will do the job.

    Also, if there's a demand for unskilled labor, that means there's jobs out there waiting for someone to leave the welfare rolls to go do it. So, REAL reform would connect employers with the welfare agencies, and whenever a welfare recipient is reported to have refused offered work, he's taken off the dole. That'll give lots of Americans real incentive to work.

    But, whatever, it's flat wrong to say there's jobs "Americans" won't do.

    Just watch Mike Rowe's "Dirty Jobs" show sometime, okay?



    SB1070 has been on-line for months now. Are we still required to treat as serious arguments as factually vacant as what you're insisting on preseting?

    No, we're not.

    If your buddy hasn't broken any laws that lead the police to question him on other matters, he won't be asked to present ID, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN ARIZONA.

    Read the damn bill unless you like looking ignorant when you post on a thread discssing it.



    From the number of Invaders fleeing Arizona before the law had even taken effect, I'm forced to say that Arizona's law actually worked quite well.



    Enforcing the law isn't an undue burden on the police.

    It's their job.



    No burden on them. If they don't break the law, they don't run afoul of the police.

    That's not hard to figure out.



    Oh, getting the Invaders to go home is the kind of negative burden real taxpayers like. It's like the burden of "carrying" a helium balloon. The more you carry, the better your feet feel.



    Explain why Arizona should lay back and enjoy being raped.

    Explain why American citizens living along the Mexican border should be expected by people like you to live in their own homes in fear, and why Arizona shouldn't react when the Invaders have made Arizona's largest city the kidnapping capital of the world, and when Arizonians are being murdered in their homes by these Invaders.
    You know, you're is the FIRST rational, well articulated argument as to:

    - why Unemployment should be tied to "those jobs" Mexicans will do but most American's won't.

    - why youth summer jobs programs may now be ineffective and unavailable.

    - why documented resident aliens won't be problematic and wrongfully suspected of being here illegally and how law enforcement can more readily identify those who perhaps would.

    and

    - how America needs to better patrol or rather seal our southern boarder to prevent unlawful entry.

    I'm very much in agreement with all of the above. I'd also add the importance for the U.S. to review the affectiveness of NAFTA with Mexico. You see, one of the biggest problems associated with illegal immigrantion from Mexico is the country's poor economy, unfair pay wages and their labor laws. While I realize there's nothing this country can do to improve their wages or labor conditions in this country, I do belief that if Mexico could inprove their economy we'd see fewer illegals crossing our sourthern boarder. NAFTA was suppose to help in that regard. What happened?

    The main reason they come here is MONEY! They want to make a better way to support themselves. Now, their may still suffer from not only those things I mentioned above but also the lack of proper medical care, drug trafficing and corruption, but those, too, are internal problem the Mexican government would have to deal with single-handedly. But this nation could help boost Mexico's economy if we could somehow improve trade between each nation. In order to do that, however, we'd first have to determine if NAFTA has even worked w/Mexico. If not, why?

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    what does it matter, the law will be declared unconstitutional.
    How is it un-constitutional?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Actually only 2 of the 3 employment provisions were blocked, not the whole bill.These provisions were-

    # Prohibit firing of workers legally in the country while retaining workers illegally in the country.


    # Require businesses that contract with individual private contractors to obtain documentation that the individuals are authorized to work or, without documentation, withhold taxes at the top rate.



    These provisions are still being enforced
    HB 1804 Summary


    Section 3 replicates the federal provision that makes it a felony punishable by imprisonment for not less than 1 year or a fine of $1000.00, for any person to transport, harbor, or shelter an alien in reckless disregard for their illegal immigration status. State and local prosecutors now have the tools to stop illegal aliens from "residing" in Oklahoma, or traveling instate in search of unlawful employment.

    Section 4 restricts issuance of most official identification documents to U.S. citizens, legal permanent resident aliens or holders of valid unexpired visas. Illegal aliens cannot operate in-state if they lack official documentation. Use of foreign consular cards issued to illegal aliens has been prohibited.

    Section 5 requires police to verify the immigration status of persons who have been arrested and detained at a local jail for felony crimes, and report all illegal aliens to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

    Section 7 requires all public employers to use the Basic Pilot electronic work authorization verification program. State and local public contractors are prohibited from commencing work on a taxpayer-funded contract before they register with the Basic Pilot Program.

    Section 8 requires every public agency to verify the lawful presence of aliens aged 14 years or older who applies for state or local public benefits, using the online SAVE system, as authorized by the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. Standard federal exceptions for emergency health care treatment or other public health services apply. This measure builds on similar provisions developed by IRLI that have been successfully adopted by Virginia, Colorado, and Georgia.

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    Section 10 directs the Oklahoma Attorney General to negotiate a "287(g)" cooperative agreement between the State of Oklahoma and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to increase state and local police joint enforcement of federal immigration law with DHS. 287(g) agreements help insure that illegal aliens discovered by Oklahoma police officers are quickly and safely transferred into federal custody. Helps fight "catch and release" abuses that allow criminal aliens back into the neighborhoods where they were arrested.
    James, great work posting this. VERY enlightening. Folks, this is Oklahoma's law. Part of it was 'put on hold,' but if James is correct with this post, the above provisions are enforced and have been ruled enforceable. These powers seems pretty broad. It makes me wonder why they didn't just model their law after this one. I wonder what was wrong with it that it wasn't used as a model.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    James, great work posting this. VERY enlightening. Folks, this is Oklahoma's law. Part of it was 'put on hold,' but if James is correct with this post, the above provisions are enforced and have been ruled enforceable. These powers seems pretty broad. It makes me wonder why they didn't just model their law after this one. I wonder what was wrong with it that it wasn't used as a model.
    Do you honestly think HB1804 would survive on that side of the country especially when it hit the left circuit court of appeals? Most of hb1804 would be in legal limbo until it hit the supreme court.



    The pro-illegals pulled the same crap before and after Oklahoma passed HB1804. They screamed racist, xenophobe,racial profiling, and anti-immigrant like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. They tried to hint that if you were against illegal immigration then you are a racist by doing stories on the KKK who are sick of illegal immigration. They filed lawsuit after lawsuit. They had protests falsely accusing the opposition of being racist,xenophobic,bigoted and anti-immigrant. The feds tried to get involved to try to undermine the law. They did stories on school districts not getting as much money because illegals leaving the state were taking their children and anchor babies with them. They did boo hoo these poor businesses are suffering because hb 1804 chased away illegals or how some companies are struggling to find labor. The only difference between Arizona and Oklahoma is that judges on this side of the country are not as liberal.




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