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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    I fully understand this emotionally charged issue, and WHY it is so emotionally charged. I lived in Arizona for several years. I saw the issues..Hell, I live in Pennsylvania, and I see illegals working here as well. I will say, however, not a single one of them is working a job that anyone but my 15 year old son would consider doing.
    This lame argument again?

    When every summer we hear reports about how the nation's youth can't find jobs? You think maybe there might be a connection between illegal invaders holding down work 15 year olds might want and the inability of 15 year old Americans to find suitable work?

    Then, of course, there's always the point that it's wrong to say there's jobs Americans won't do.

    Raise the wages offered, and eventually some American will do the job.

    Also, if there's a demand for unskilled labor, that means there's jobs out there waiting for someone to leave the welfare rolls to go do it. So, REAL reform would connect employers with the welfare agencies, and whenever a welfare recipient is reported to have refused offered work, he's taken off the dole. That'll give lots of Americans real incentive to work.

    But, whatever, it's flat wrong to say there's jobs "Americans" won't do.

    Just watch Mike Rowe's "Dirty Jobs" show sometime, okay?

    Now...Say this friend of mine is walking down the street, and is asked to show his documentaion?
    SB1070 has been on-line for months now. Are we still required to treat as serious arguments as factually vacant as what you're insisting on preseting?

    No, we're not.

    If your buddy hasn't broken any laws that lead the police to question him on other matters, he won't be asked to present ID, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN ARIZONA.

    Read the damn bill unless you like looking ignorant when you post on a thread discssing it.

    How about, instead of knee jerk legislation, we sit down and do something that will actually work,
    From the number of Invaders fleeing Arizona before the law had even taken effect, I'm forced to say that Arizona's law actually worked quite well.

    and not put undue burden on our police,
    Enforcing the law isn't an undue burden on the police.

    It's their job.

    undue burden on the many legal hispanics in this country,
    No burden on them. If they don't break the law, they don't run afoul of the police.

    That's not hard to figure out.

    and even more undue burden on our taxpayers?
    Oh, getting the Invaders to go home is the kind of negative burden real taxpayers like. It's like the burden of "carrying" a helium balloon. The more you carry, the better your feet feel.

    Because deny it as many try to, this IS a kneejerk piece of legislation. Its a "we're not gonna take it anymore" type of law,
    Explain why Arizona should lay back and enjoy being raped.

    Explain why American citizens living along the Mexican border should be expected by people like you to live in their own homes in fear, and why Arizona shouldn't react when the Invaders have made Arizona's largest city the kidnapping capital of the world, and when Arizonians are being murdered in their homes by these Invaders.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That's weird.

    My wife is not a US citizen. She's French. If she went through Arizona, she'd affected by this law to.

    What kind of racist is it that says only hispanics will be affected?
    The only way your wife would be affected is if she has brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    An issue that nobody seems to be talking about is citizens being put out because of this law. Not immigrants..legal or otherwise, but regular old citizens. Citizens are not required to carry identification of any kind on them. There is no law saying you must have an id card, a license or anything of that nature on your person. So CITIZENS of this country can be harassed because of this law. Personally, I think tis awful that ANYONE can be harassed because of this, but those of you who do not, how do YOU feel about your own citizens being stopped and told to show papers they have no legal obligation to even HAVE let alone carry. So forget about the immigrants..the invaders as they have been so nicely put, and think about that.

    Not to mention just plain old ordinary tourists. It may surprise some of you to know that there are mexicans who like to vacation in the states. Just come up to do some shopping, take in the sites etc. From what I understand, its a fairly hefty trade for border towns. So..who is going to come visit, if they know they are in constant danger of being stopped and asked to show their papers? It is more than just illegals and even legals involved here. Again..KNEE JERK legislation.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If I am a bigot because I want to enforce the laws of the United States of America, then I gladly claim the title. This law has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with law enforcement.
    I wouldn't call you a bigot simply because you are for the Arizona law - misguided maybe, but bigot doesn't fit.

    Earlier today I was listening to a best of, of the Alan Colmes radio program and he had Judge Andrew Napolitano on his program. His position was that this law has several Constitutional problems and in his opinion the law will never see the light of day. He said the founding fathers would be rolling in their grave with this law. I have no legal training, but I totally agree with him.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    What if I hand the officer an out of state drivers liscence? It is more complicated than that. The only people who are trained and have the proper tools and databases are federal immigration officers. I think the democrates should use the same tactics as the republicans did during the bush administration, but some democratic congresspeople are wussies. Its clear that both sides of this issue want something done AND NOW.
    Wow.

    The old out-of-state license gag.

    Too bad not every state has their licenses computerized and accessible by every law enforcement agency in the country.

    Oh.

    Wait.

    Every state does have it's license data-base on line.

    The cop in Syracuse didn't have a problem with my California license. Not at all.

    Amazing thing, these computers.

    And if a state doesn't require proof-of-citizenship prior to issuing a license, well, that would be known to Arizona, and I'm sure some process has been worked out for people from those foolish states.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    An issue that nobody seems to be talking about is citizens being put out because of this law.
    And EVERY citizen who's done something that gets the police to ask them for their ID has discovered that it's a real hassle not having that ID when they're caught committing whatever crime it is that got the cop's attention.

    And people who don't break the law don't have to worry about that, and since SB 1070 restricts the police to lawful interactions with suspects, law abiding Americans don't have anything to worry about.

    However, if they are paranoid, it's not hard carrying that license with them. I can only think of one or two activities where I wouldn't be wearing pockets. And I figure if the cop is asking me for my ID in the shower, something else is already seriously amiss.

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Breaking a law is as simple as going a few miles over the speed limit, or spitting on the sidewalk, my friend. Dont act as thought someone has to be caught trying to knife someone or robbing a bank.

    The job is NOT the job of local law enforcement. They are NOT immigration, and it is not their job.

    As for the jobs. You really think its a major issue if our 15 year olds cant find jobs? and for the record they can ALWAYS find work. Any teenager can find a job. There are always minimum wage jobs out there.
    Minimimum wage jobs are NOT in short supply. If you have a teenager who cant find a job, its because they simply dont want to work a menial minimum wage job, or you live so far out in the country there is simply nothing around.

    Arizona should not sit back and be "raped" . However, this particular piece of legislation is absolutely a bad idea. It is opening up the door to abuse in an enormous way, and if you cannot see that, then you are way too close to the idea, and should maybe step back a bit from it.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    The only way your wife would be affected is if she has brown skin, brown eyes, and black hair.
    You mean like if her father was born in Manchuria in 1934?

    So, maybe the claim that SB1070 would "target" only hispanics is false, and merely a reflection of the emptiness of the arguments against it?

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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And EVERY citizen who's done something that gets the police to ask them for their ID has discovered that it's a real hassle not having that ID when they're caught committing whatever crime it is that got the cop's attention.

    And people who don't break the law don't have to worry about that, and since SB 1070 restricts the police to lawful interactions with suspects, law abiding Americans don't have anything to worry about.

    However, if they are paranoid, it's not hard carrying that license with them. I can only think of one or two activities where I wouldn't be wearing pockets. And I figure if the cop is asking me for my ID in the shower, something else is already seriously amiss.


    It is amazing how many people still have that "innocent people never have anything to worry about" mentality.

    If you dont want to take a polygraph test you must have something to hide.
    If you dont have anything to hide, then there is no reason not to waive your right to be silent. '
    If it's really a bum rap then you don't need a lawyer.

    Do you people ever pay any attention to what is going on around you? You do not see the injustices that can and do occur? America is a paradise where the innocent are never harassed, and the guilty are always punished. Lord, and I have been accused of being too pie in the sky. I KNOW how people are. I know how the system can sometimes seriously hurt the innocent, and I see no reason to allow a law to pass that is wide open to abuse.
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    Re: Court denies request for expedited hearing on Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Wow.

    The old out-of-state license gag.

    Too bad not every state has their licenses computerized and accessible by every law enforcement agency in the country.

    Oh.

    Wait.

    Every state does have it's license data-base on line.

    The cop in Syracuse didn't have a problem with my California license. Not at all.

    Amazing thing, these computers.

    And if a state doesn't require proof-of-citizenship prior to issuing a license, well, that would be known to Arizona, and I'm sure some process has been worked out for people from those foolish states.
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    What process? Can you be more specific about this "process"? I am pretty sure you cant because there isnt one. The only way to know is to check with the dept of homland security. Are the Arizona police equiped to do this? What is a computer?
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